brandal
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You know i have been checking on this ron paul guy and he had impressed me on just about everything up until i come to know his views on the war in iraq.
He thinks we should get out.
i on the other hand think we need to start winning the war. our problem is that we are fighting (figure of speech) this war like a bunch of PC pansies. we would win this war in 6 months if we got f'n ruthless. we went door 2 door in ww2 and killed the enemy and anyone found with them. we carpet bombed cities, killed millions of civillians and guess f'n what? WE F'N WON!!!!!!!!!! and what came from it ? we had 60+ years of prosperity and monetary domination.
disclaimer for all you anal-retentive half historians - i fully understand that we were fighting state/nations in ww2 but the paralell i am drawing is that "do you really think there would be any support in the f'n world for bin laden and all the muslim extremest if the people of the world knew that if anyone found in their city was a terrorist then everyone in that city would be killed." i believe that they would f'n police themselves and kill the terrorist so that the US could sit @ home and not have to be in a damn quagmire (yeah family guy).
That my friend is the way to win this damn war but as long as the damn peacenicks of the world have their way the end result will be that in 50 years we will all be praying to allah and all our women will be covered from head to toe in a barka. look @ england, in london they have taken out teaching the holocaust and the crusades so as not to offend anyone. dammit people do you really think that you can f' with that? you are nieve to the point of brainwashed and you are leading yourself ,and anyone else that will listen to you, to the slaughter. the blood of people that you damn liberals lead down this path of self destruction will be on your hands. |
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jusdeadphunky
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| comparing the CIA operative bin laden and his doings to those of hitler is fucking retarded. |
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Freddie
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First of all I understand your frustration, second the profanity causes people to forget about what you are saying.
We've already won this war, in that we took out the dictator and helped the country to set up their own new government. It's now up to the people.
Don't expect these people to be able to stand up over night. They have years of fighting amoungst themselves and oppression by their leaders to overcome. We have to help them to help themselves and it's going to take time. If we drop them now, if we turn our back on them now, the consequences would be grave; mostly to them but eventually to ourselves as well.
What they need are good strong leaders like this country have had, leaders is civil rights like Martin Luther King Jr., leaders in economics and industry like Henry Ford, leaders in governing like Abraham Lincoln. If they are ever going to have these kinds of leaders they are going to have to be empowered and supported. |
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jusdeadphunky
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| Freddie wrote: | First of all I understand your frustration, second the profanity causes people to forget about what you are saying.
We've already won this war, in that we took out the dictator and helped the country to set up their own new government. It's now up to the people.
Don't expect these people to be able to stand up over night. They have years of fighting amoungst themselves and oppression by their leaders to overcome. We have to help them to help themselves and it's going to take time. If we drop them now, if we turn our back on them now, the consequences would be grave; mostly to them but eventually to ourselves as well.
What they need are good strong leaders like this country have had, leaders is civil rights like Martin Luther King Jr., leaders in economics and industry like Henry Ford, leaders in governing like Abraham Lincoln. If they are ever going to have these kinds of leaders they are going to have to be empowered and supported. |
so you would like for the u.s. to occupy iraq for the next century, so they can deal with their infighting and embrace a government set up by the u.s. that does not represent the major ethnic divisions of the iraqi population?
it will never happen unless the puppet iraqi government is restructured, which will never happen, because bush will never admit that his only "victory" in iraq was in fact another defeat.
and besides that, how do you expect to stay in iraq "for the next 10, 20 or 40 years" (dick cheney) and prevent it from bankrupting the united states? |
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jusdeadphunky
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my plan for not loosing iraq
throw out the no bid contracts in iraq and allow for foreign countries to bid for contracts on the responsibilities of the rebuilding effort. the more money and soldiers (for a peacekeeping force) a country commits to, the bigger the jobs they can bid on. it would be mandatory that the companies employ 90% iraqis for these efforts.
have conversations with neighboring nations especially iran and try to convince them to assist in securing the boarders of iraq.
disband this government and have new elections in which sunnis vote for sunnis, kurds vote for kurks and shiite vote for shiites. have the government representative like the u.s. congress with one body that gives each group the same number of representatives and the other in which the number of representatives is based off of the number of people.
appologize to iraq and the world and ask them to look after the best interest of the iraqi people. |
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exton
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| Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 10:14 pm Post subject: Re: win the damn war |
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| brandal wrote: |
disclaimer for all you anal-retentive half historians - i fully understand that we were fighting state/nations in ww2 but the paralell i am drawing is that "do you really think there would be any support in the f'n world for bin laden and all the muslim extremest if the people of the world knew that if anyone found in their city was a terrorist then everyone in that city would be killed." i believe that they would f'n police themselves and kill the terrorist so that the US could sit @ home and not have to be in a damn quagmire (yeah family guy). |
No, brandal, they wouldn't police themselves. They'd raise hell. If you want a world war, then using total war to police terrorism is a good way to get it.
Nothing unites a group of people like a threat to their very existence. If you threaten a whole city with destruction because of the presence of one terrorist, they'll united against you - they won't police. |
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exton
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| Freddie wrote: |
What they need are good strong leaders like this country have had, leaders is civil rights like Martin Luther King Jr., leaders in economics and industry like Henry Ford, leaders in governing like Abraham Lincoln. If they are ever going to have these kinds of leaders they are going to have to be empowered and supported. |
They already have such leaders, to a degree. They just aren't the sorts of leaders that americans approve of. They're often religious leaders, not secular ones. |
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Xerxes
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| Carpet bombing? Door-to door seaches? I am an Aethist/Agnostic but I will ask you this question: When did God become pro-carpet bombing? And all for door kicking-in? And who says they wanna win this war, anyway? There is way more money to be made in perpetual war. |
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Freddie
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| Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 11:21 pm Post subject: |
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| exton wrote: | | Freddie wrote: |
What they need are good strong leaders like this country have had, leaders is civil rights like Martin Luther King Jr., leaders in economics and industry like Henry Ford, leaders in governing like Abraham Lincoln. If they are ever going to have these kinds of leaders they are going to have to be empowered and supported. |
They already have such leaders, to a degree. They just aren't the sorts of leaders that americans approve of. They're often religious leaders, not secular ones. |
The leaders I listed where all men of faith, with the acception of Henry Ford, I can't say I know about his faith but the others where in fact mean of faith. |
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exton
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Abraham lincoln was not a "man of faith" in any true sense.
But moreover, that's not quite what i meant.
I mean that they are, literally, religious leaders. They derive their authority from dealings in religion. Like, for example, priests (and don't give me any bullshit about catholicism, you know what i mean). |
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Freddie
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| jusdeadphunky wrote: | | Freddie wrote: | First of all I understand your frustration, second the profanity causes people to forget about what you are saying.
We've already won this war, in that we took out the dictator and helped the country to set up their own new government. It's now up to the people.
Don't expect these people to be able to stand up over night. They have years of fighting amoungst themselves and oppression by their leaders to overcome. We have to help them to help themselves and it's going to take time. If we drop them now, if we turn our back on them now, the consequences would be grave; mostly to them but eventually to ourselves as well.
What they need are good strong leaders like this country have had, leaders is civil rights like Martin Luther King Jr., leaders in economics and industry like Henry Ford, leaders in governing like Abraham Lincoln. If they are ever going to have these kinds of leaders they are going to have to be empowered and supported. |
so you would like for the u.s. to occupy iraq for the next century, so they can deal with their infighting and embrace a government set up by the u.s. that does not represent the major ethnic divisions of the iraqi population?
it will never happen unless the puppet iraqi government is restructured, which will never happen, because bush will never admit that his only "victory" in iraq was in fact another defeat.
and besides that, how do you expect to stay in iraq "for the next 10, 20 or 40 years" (dick cheney) and prevent it from bankrupting the united states? |
It's my prayer that it won't have to be that way but turning it loose now would just cause more damage and you well know it. If the rest of the world would get off there collective rear ends and act like they care, then the the full burden for these people wouldn't fall on us but since no one will, we have to.
Let me ask you, when we gained our independence from England do you think we could have survived without the assitance of other countries. Have you ever heard of the war of 1812? We didn't just win our independence and go on about our business. |
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Xerxes
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| Henry Ford was a fervent Nazi supporter. |
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Freddie
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| Xerxes wrote: | | Henry Ford was a fervent Nazi supporter. |
  ok well that seems a bit out side of what I do know of him.  |
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joeyjock
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....go door to door...carpet bomb cities???
Do you really think that Iraq was filled with insurgients when we got there???
Many of these men and women who are making IED's and signing up to be suicide bombers saw friends and neighbors blown up - shot sent to Abu Graib
we are MAKING some of them...
it's time to get out people
leave the shooting gallery where 80% of Iraqi's say it's ok to kill Americans
We're in the middle of a civil war....a George Bush made civil war and yes sadly the Iraqi's are going to have to shed blood to finish it off...but not ours |
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| Xerxes wrote: | | Henry Ford was a fervent Nazi supporter. |
The third reich mustang. |
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