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Xerxes
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Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 6:11 pm Post subject:

CustomFordGirl wrote:

Xerxes wrote:

Charity is not a Christian concept exclusively. That is where Christian arrogance comes into play. Charity has existed long before there even was "organized" religion. It is a human trait that, unfortunately, not all of us share. It does not require religion to be charitable.

Now, you see, how have I (or anyone else) expressed arrogance? Lester asked for examples of Christian charities that are not "full of shit", so I obliged.

Personally, I see arrogance on the part of those condemning Christian charities as proselytizing, and requiring conversion to receive aide.

Xerxes wrote:

Just help the motherfucker standing next to you and the world will be a better place.

Agreed. You don't have to be a Christian to help someone, and you don't have to be a Christian to receive charity.
IMO - charity is something apart from Christianity. The question posed by Lester was about Christian-offered charity, not charity in general.

Sorry, I was feeling combative. I believe that the things that you said were blasphemous. You know, the stuff about the 351 Windsor. So I was "lashing out" Embarassed

Lester
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Joined: 08 Dec 2006
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Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 12:57 am Post subject:

CustomFordGirl wrote:

Lester wrote:

CustomFordGirl wrote:

But people aren't proselytized to, and not made to convert.. they come to that decision all. by. them. selves.

Conservatives don't complain about handouts, they complain about people living off of handouts and not trying to make their own life.

1. No, but if the purpose is not to convert, why even bother making it a christian charity? Why can't you just be satisfied with being a non-religious charity?

2. Because the money could be used for more productive purposes, and these charities undermine the governments work.

1. Christians gather at churches. Collectively, they want to help people, so they start a charity and run it out of the church (since the church has a lot more room than any of their homes, and won't charge them rent). The charity is named for the church, so people will know where to look for it. YAY! A Christian charity is born.

2. No, the government undermines all charity work -not just Christian. The government's job as outlined in that outdated, irrelevant document (A.K.A. - the Constitution) is NOT to support the people; it's the People's job to support the People.
So, it's the People's responsibility to care for those less fortunate. (But it is not the government's job to facilitate this.)

1. You don't need to pray before your sessions, or include religon in at all, by holding it in a church you may deter some people from going, it's not that expensive to rent a room, or just hold it outside for goodness sakes.

2. I think you assume that I don't actually think it's outdated and irrelevant...

exton
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Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 1:03 am Post subject:

CustomFordGirl wrote:

The government's job as outlined in that outdated, irrelevant document (A.K.A. - the Constitution) is NOT to support the people; it's the People's job to support the People.
So, it's the People's responsibility to care for those less fortunate. (But it is not the government's job to facilitate this.)

So how would the people do this?

Perhaps they might get together or, since there are so many of them, find a group of representative individuals, and decide how they ought to organize themselves so as to accomplish this and other tasks that need doing in a civilized society. Perhaps they might also agree to enforce the obligations that people have towards their tasks. After all, in a very large society, you're bound to have people who don't want to be civilized, and who want to go their own way. They need to be convinced otherwise, or gotten rid of.

Perhaps the people might even write all this down, and form some sort of organizational body that operates on a permanant basis.

What do you think a government is, anyway?