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brandal
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Joined: 27 Mar 2007
Posts: 551
Location: NC

Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 7:52 pm Post subject:

i think the world bank is enslaving the world/ i think bush is a dumb ass @ best, conspirator @ worst/
income tax is unconstitutional

pure capitalism is the only answer

there, is that conservative enuf for you?

TheGreatNeoCon
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Joined: 27 Mar 2007
Posts: 59

Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 8:11 pm Post subject:

shankarsingam wrote:

Ha ha! Yes i came on here also to look for some fresh neo-con meat to tear apart, but i just end up reading through as exton,jusdead, and a few others already do a bang up job.

I was posting on myspace political forums since day one and there were alot of cons on there in the beginning but much like this site, its dominated today by libs. Libs just have the upper hand intellectually, where cons argue with their heart and emotion.

Then i got banned from myspace forums for outing a neo con debater who turned out to be a pedophile.

You know...I read your post and thought to myself "wow..that is exactly what alot of conservatives say about liberals" all in general of course.

Xerxes
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Posts: 1564
Location: 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.

Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 8:55 pm Post subject:

ToySoldier wrote:

Well,
I must say I came to this forum expecting a balanced side to things but apparently this "Konservative Korner" is nothing more than a place for Conservatives who are coming to look for rational debate and end up finding themselves in the Lions Den.

So instead of being idiots, and chasing off people who come looking for debate...maybe you should encourage rational discussion and stop the flaming.

Unless you want this board to be a major circle jerk of liberal ideas.

Anyways, my name is Mike. I'm a crazy conservative, I enjoy alcohol, tobacco, firearms, political debate, running, reading, writing, computers.

I'm in the US Army, leaving for Iraq in about 2-3 weeks, but hopefully looking forward to a good debate here.

Mike, there is nothing wrong with being consevative! This kind of misinterpretation is one of the things that is so disconcerting. Your party has been co-opted by people who are really not conservative at all. George Bush does not know the meaning of the word.

It is the people that wish to do an "End Around" Congress to start ANY war. They are the dangerous ones. It is those individuals who wish to spread freedom and democracy across the globe under the mantle of righteousness, yet do not want it here in their own country.(i.e. Diebold voting machines/Patriot Act) They are the enemy. It is also those who wish to turn America's military into a private militia for the globalist/oil company agenda.(i.e. Halliburton, Blackwater, Bechtel and a whole host of companies that are getting filthy rich off of this war at the cost of human life on BOTH sides)

I feel for you, my prayers will be with you. I hope that you return safely!

I was a soldier too (11B) 86'-94', so I know that the UCMJ pretty much prohibits you from having a negative view of the commander-in-chief. That is cool, a soldier just does his job. That is what people sign up for.

I take exception to the fact that we were lied all the way into this war by not just Fox News, but by the entire American media establishment. There's enough blame to go around for everyone there.

AND, as a former soldier, I have a serious problems with the fact that the ones who send young men off to fight and die, avoided combat in Vietnam, themselves. This is cowardice, pure and simple, regardless of which side of the aisle you sit on. If they wanted to protect America, then they missed their chance in the late 60's/early 70's.

Know your enemy!

If our house be on fire, without inquiring whether it was fired from within or without, we must try to extinguish it.

Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Lewis, Jr., May 9, 1798

jusdeadphunky
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Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 9:36 pm Post subject:

brandal wrote:

i feel the same way except about capitalism...so am i too a con?

shankarsingam
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Joined: 09 Mar 2007
Posts: 1139

Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 10:25 pm Post subject:

jusdeadphunky wrote:

brandal wrote:

i feel the same way except about capitalism...so am i too a con?

x2
This kid needs to read about the Hoover administration during the late 1920s, when capitalism had free reign in the US and the subsequent result known as Black Tuesday in 1929.

jusdeadphunky
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Joined: 05 Dec 2006
Posts: 2222

Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 10:28 pm Post subject:

shankarsingam wrote:

jusdeadphunky wrote:

brandal wrote:

i feel the same way except about capitalism...so am i too a con?

x2
This kid needs to read about the Hoover administration during the late 1920s, when capitalism had free reign in the US and the subsequent result known as Black Tuesday in 1929.

the main problem with the world is that people refuse to know history and they refuse to learn from past mistakes and insist on repeating them over and over and over again.

Xerxes
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Joined: 15 Mar 2007
Posts: 1564
Location: 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.

Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 12:11 am Post subject:

jusdeadphunky wrote:

shankarsingam wrote:

jusdeadphunky wrote:

brandal wrote:

i feel the same way except about capitalism...so am i too a con?

x2
This kid needs to read about the Hoover administration during the late 1920s, when capitalism had free reign in the US and the subsequent result known as Black Tuesday in 1929.

the main problem with the world is that people refuse to know history and they refuse to learn from past mistakes and insist on repeating them over and over and over again.

Amen!

supplyside
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Joined: 28 Mar 2007
Posts: 10
Location: Louisville, KY

Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 2:32 am Post subject: I'm a proud Neoconservative

There is some serious Neoconservative bashing on this website! Actually, I am a newly minted Neoconservative, I did not initially support the Iraq invasion (I was too busy being a paleo-libertarian at the time). But anyways, I don't really understand why all the libs here hate the Neoconservatives so much. Surely the Paleo-conservatives and the religious right are more of a threat to you guys than us Neocons!

Anyways, Neoconservativism evolved from liberalism; in fact, it is a mature brand of liberalism in my opinion. All the liberals can talk about democracy, human rights, and economic freedom (oh wait, you guys don't believe in economic freedom!) but it is the Neoconservatives who are actually trying to address these issues.

And a note to the Xerxes guy…it is not fair to say, “It is those individuals who wish to spread freedom and democracy across the globe under the mantle of righteousness, yet do not want it here in their own country.(i.e. Diebold voting machines/Patriot Act)” How in the world can you compare the patriot act in the United States with massively rigged voting and the gassing of civilians in Iraq and making women cover themselves from head to toe in Afghanistan to the patriot act. That is the problem with you libs, is that you lack moral clarity, and cannot makes distinctions between these too very different situations. That being said, I do not agree with everything in the patriot act and in how it has been used, but it ridiculous to say that the patriot act limits our freedom in a similar way that governments in the middle east limit the freedoms of their people.

exton
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Joined: 13 Dec 2006
Posts: 4218

Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 2:44 am Post subject: Re: I'm a proud Neoconservative

supplyside wrote:

Anyone who impedes the progress of civilization is a problem, regardless of their label.

Quote:

Elaborate on this.

Quote:

And a note to the Xerxes guy…it is not fair to say, “It is those individuals who wish to spread freedom and democracy across the globe under the mantle of righteousness, yet do not want it here in their own country.(i.e. Diebold voting machines/Patriot Act)” How in the world can you compare the patriot act in the United States with massively rigged voting and the gassing of civilians in Iraq and making women cover themselves from head to toe in Afghanistan to the patriot act.

Easily.

We are a civilized nation. We hold ourselves to high standards. When we fail to meet those standards, we fail in general. The failures of others are not relevent in that sense.

Quote:

That is the problem with you libs, is that you lack moral clarity, and cannot makes distinctions between these too very different situations. That being said, I do not agree with everything in the patriot act and in how it has been used, but it ridiculous to say that the patriot act limits our freedom in a similar way that governments in the middle east limit the freedoms of their people.

Oh, but he didn't. He said that those who would spread freedom abroad are the same ones who try to restrict it at home.

Xerxes
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Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 4:08 am Post subject: Re: I'm a proud Neoconservative

Quote:

Anyways, Neoconservativism evolved from liberalism; in fact, it is a mature brand of liberalism in my opinion. All the liberals can talk about democracy, human rights, and economic freedom (oh wait, you guys don't believe in economic freedom!) but it is the Neoconservatives who are actually trying to address these issues.

And a note to the Xerxes guy…it is not fair to say, “It is those individuals who wish to spread freedom and democracy across the globe under the mantle of righteousness, yet do not want it here in their own country.(i.e. Diebold voting machines/Patriot Act)” How in the world can you compare the patriot act in the United States with massively rigged voting and the gassing of civilians in Iraq and making women cover themselves from head to toe in Afghanistan to the patriot act. That is the problem with you libs, is that you lack moral clarity, and cannot makes distinctions between these too very different situations. That being said, I do not agree with everything in the patriot act and in how it has been used, but it ridiculous to say that the patriot act limits our freedom in a similar way that governments in the middle east limit the freedoms of their people.

You're absolutely right, who would be so fucking stupid to sell Saddam nerve, chemical and biological agents in the first place. Aren't they the ones that are ultimately to share responsible for the gassings. Unless you think it is OK to gas Iranians and not the Kurds. Gas is gas when you are laying on the ground doing "The Fish". It is a weapon of mass destruction that was basically hand delivered by Rummy, sealed with a handshake and a smile.

And I don't think that going through peoples library book check-out records, sneak and peak warrants or any other bill that is passed in the house OR the senate that is not fully read and debated, which did not occur is very freedom lovin' or democratic. Or, I think, most profound in all of this is the 80% of the black vote that is not counted.....highly un-democratic.

And thirdly, don't try to trap me in that box. I pay no attention to those stupid fucking names that they attach to political leanings like they try to categorize music. I am not jazz fusion, as well, I am no fucking liberal. I LOVE high-caliber, 40 round clipped fully automatic bliss and I hated Clinton, I also support the death penalty for the rapist, murderer and the child molester. I do not, however, support war profiteering if that's what you meant by "Economic Freedom".

No sir, I am an American who cares very much for his country and the preservation of one of the greatest proclamations ever written.
The Constitution of the United States!

(Outside of the Magna Carta), which they have already set their knives upon. Farewell, sweet Habeus Corpus.

mckmatt
Newbie

Joined: 28 Mar 2007
Posts: 24
Location: VA

Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 1:59 pm Post subject:

People let there party decide what there morals are and thats where you get far left liberals and far right cons but you have to decide for yourself what you are or you are going to get on everyones nerves

EVIL D
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Joined: 26 Mar 2007
Posts: 18
Location: Iowa

Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 3:06 pm Post subject: Labels, labels... labels & talking points!

Talking points and labels bore the hell out of me, so if everybody could please stop pretending to be informed about this and that...

I'm a (R), conservative, yes, but when you start pounding your chest around me, well your gonna get tested.

As for the pussies who use this forum also, there's not a book or blog you can read, TV show or movie you can watch or another pussy you can quote that will change my ways on about anything I know. Please don't take that the wrong way, but most Americans are afraid to be free.

USING FREEDOM TO REMAIN FREE, evil d

jusdeadphunky
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Joined: 05 Dec 2006
Posts: 2222

Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 3:24 pm Post subject: Re: I'm a proud Neoconservative

supplyside wrote:

because they are tearing apart this country piece by piece and no one seems to have the balls to stop them.

Xerxes
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Joined: 15 Mar 2007
Posts: 1564
Location: 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.

Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 3:45 pm Post subject: Re: Labels, labels... labels & talking points!

EVIL D wrote:

You should be writing speeches for Bush. Here's some other quotes from a soon-to-be-impeached, pseudo/quasi-president. "Doin' a heckuva job, Brownie"... "Freedom ain't free" or "Mission Accomplished" or even better yet, "What? Me worry"?

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in a flag, carrying a cross".
Sinclair Lewis (It Can't Happen Here 1935)

EVIL D
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Joined: 26 Mar 2007
Posts: 18
Location: Iowa

Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 4:25 pm Post subject: Blah, blah, talking point, blah' blah...

Just like Edwards, Bush is a faggot too... don't screw up and treat me like I'm some dip-shit liberal. You seem to have the Talking Point Bible from the posts I read from you, how un-original!

It's not the fascists I'm worried about it's the communists, the people you seem to star-fuck that I worry about.

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