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Turk
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 Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 2:03 pm Post subject: What is the big deal about polygamy? |
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Why does our government and lawmakers protect and sanction gay marraige, and not defend polygamy?
I think that if gay people are allowed to be married, people should be able to practice polygamy? |
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exton
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| Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 2:35 pm Post subject: Re: What is the big deal about polygamy? |
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| Turk wrote: | | Why does our government and lawmakers protect and sanction gay marraige, |
The vast majority of them don't.
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and not defend polygamy?
I think that if gay people are allowed to be married, people should be able to practice polygamy? |
I don't see why not.
Well, okay, i actually do. Humans are somewhat naturally predisposed to producing harems. The outlawing of polygamy goes some way to preventing the hoarding of women, which is something that benefits the majority of the males in society.
Naturally, making it so that you can't legally have multiple wives doesn't prevent anyone from engaging in informal behavior that is very similar. It only prevents those behaviors from being backed up by the force of law. |
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Lester
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| Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 4:38 pm Post subject: |
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And just the sheer strain it would put on the legal proffession in terms of estates. One wife is hard enough.
And what happens if they get divorced from one wife or husband but not the others? |
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Turk
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| Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 10:13 pm Post subject: |
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One wife may be enough for you
But whats good for you may not be good for another
lets not be selfish here shall we? |
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fellfire
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What happens between consenting adults should be left between consenting adults and the government should stay the hell out of it.
Polygamy isn't the issue that the FCLDS is facing in Texas, its child rape. In the polygamy cases that have been brought to media attention recently (William Jeffers, this latest Texas issue), the prosecution has been for the marriage of older men to teenage girls. A 13 year old girl is NOT a consenting adult. That is just sick child rape. |
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Turk
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| fellfire wrote: | What happens between consenting adults should be left between consenting adults and the government should stay the hell out of it.
Polygamy isn't the issue that the FCLDS is facing in Texas, its child rape. In the polygamy cases that have been brought to media attention recently (William Jeffers, this latest Texas issue), the prosecution has been for the marriage of older men to teenage girls. A 13 year old girl is NOT a consenting adult. That is just sick child rape. |
There are no facts to back up the allegations of child rape, there was a professional on the case arguing that the young girls that got pregnant happened over a long period of time when the age of marrying and the age of consent in the state of texas was 14, the media and the prosecution has no case and they are using nothing but falsehoods to support their case.
That was discussed on goodmorning america with diane sawyer |
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fellfire
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| Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 6:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Turk wrote: | There are no facts to back up the allegations of child rape, there was a professional on the case arguing that the young girls that got pregnant happened over a long period of time when the age of marrying and the age of consent in the state of texas was 14, the media and the prosecution has no case and they are using nothing but falsehoods to support their case.
That was discussed on goodmorning america with diane sawyer |
Two cases here:
Warren Jeffs is leader of the FLDS sect, he was convicted last year in Utah of forcing a 14-yo girl into marriage with an older cousin
This case in Texas:
This is the same sect - FLDS - according to the Dallas News
| Quote: | | Under Texas law, children under the age of 17 generally cannot consent to sex with an adult. A girl can get married with parental permission at 16, but none of these girls is believed to have a legal marriage under state law. |
The age of consent in Texas has been 17 since at least 1973. Age of marriage is 18 (or 16 with parental consent). It hasn't been 14 since at least 1997 and we aren't talking about 24 yo women here. |
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Toxic
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| Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 6:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Turk wrote: | | fellfire wrote: | What happens between consenting adults should be left between consenting adults and the government should stay the hell out of it.
Polygamy isn't the issue that the FCLDS is facing in Texas, its child rape. In the polygamy cases that have been brought to media attention recently (William Jeffers, this latest Texas issue), the prosecution has been for the marriage of older men to teenage girls. A 13 year old girl is NOT a consenting adult. That is just sick child rape. |
There are no facts to back up the allegations of child rape, there was a professional on the case arguing that the young girls that got pregnant happened over a long period of time when the age of marrying and the age of consent in the state of texas was 14, the media and the prosecution has no case and they are using nothing but falsehoods to support their case.
That was discussed on goodmorning america with diane sawyer |
The age of consent in Texas is 17. Thus,
| Quote: | Texas child welfare officials say more than half the teen girls swept into state custody from a polygamist sect's ranch have been pregnant.
Child Protective Services spokesman Darrell Azar says 53 girls between the ages of 14 and 17 were living on the ranch in Eldorado. Of that group, 31 already have children or are pregnant.
State officials took custody of all 463 children at the Yearning For Zion Ranch more than three weeks ago after a raid prompted by calls to a domestic violence hotline.
Child welfare officials say there was a pattern of underage girls forced into "spiritual marriages" with much older men at the ranch. |
ends your argument. |
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exton
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| Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 7:41 pm Post subject: |
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| It's worth noting that the age of consent in texas has been 17 for more than 9 months, so if anyone in texas under 17 is currently pregnant, the person who impregnated them necessarily commited statutory rape in doing so. |
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Turk
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| Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Toxic wrote: | | Turk wrote: | | fellfire wrote: | What happens between consenting adults should be left between consenting adults and the government should stay the hell out of it.
Polygamy isn't the issue that the FCLDS is facing in Texas, its child rape. In the polygamy cases that have been brought to media attention recently (William Jeffers, this latest Texas issue), the prosecution has been for the marriage of older men to teenage girls. A 13 year old girl is NOT a consenting adult. That is just sick child rape. |
There are no facts to back up the allegations of child rape, there was a professional on the case arguing that the young girls that got pregnant happened over a long period of time when the age of marrying and the age of consent in the state of texas was 14, the media and the prosecution has no case and they are using nothing but falsehoods to support their case.
That was discussed on goodmorning america with diane sawyer |
The age of consent in Texas is 17. Thus,
| Quote: | Texas child welfare officials say more than half the teen girls swept into state custody from a polygamist sect's ranch have been pregnant.
Child Protective Services spokesman Darrell Azar says 53 girls between the ages of 14 and 17 were living on the ranch in Eldorado. Of that group, 31 already have children or are pregnant.
State officials took custody of all 463 children at the Yearning For Zion Ranch more than three weeks ago after a raid prompted by calls to a domestic violence hotline.
Child welfare officials say there was a pattern of underage girls forced into "spiritual marriages" with much older men at the ranch. |
ends your argument. |
No dumb fuck it was 14 until just recently
There is still no crimes committed
end your arguement |
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exton
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| Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 9:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Turk wrote: | | No dumb fuck it was 14 until just recently |
Some of the girls are pregnant.
That means that they had sex less than 9 months ago.
The age of consent in texas has been 17 for more than 9 months. Those pregnancies must be the product of statutory rape. |
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Toxic
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| Quote: | No dumb fuck it was 14 until just recently
There is still no crimes committed
end your arguement |
No you thick fucking piece of shit. As exton pointed out:
| Quote: | | It's worth noting that the age of consent in texas has been 17 for more than 9 months, so if anyone in texas under 17 is currently pregnant, the person who impregnated them necessarily commited statutory rape in doing so. |
You have NO argument. None at all. And yet you're still trying to defend child rape. You're a sick excuse for a libertarian. |
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Turk
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| Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 9:43 pm Post subject: |
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Yes 17 for 9 months
30 people have been pregnant under the age of 17 during a 25 year period when the legal age of consent was 14
You are saying that i am sick
while none of this child rape bullshit has ever been proven you sound like the sick one for not allowing the process to be right
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Toxic
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| Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 9:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Turk wrote: | Yes 17 for 9 months
30 people have been pregnant under the age of 17 during a 25 year period when the legal age of consent was 14 |
What the hell are you talking about? They are pregnant NOW. Where you got the 25-year-period from I have no idea.
| Quote: | | while none of this child rape bullshit has ever been proven you sound like the sick one for not allowing the process to be right |
No, I do want to the process to be right. I want these people to be tried in Court and they are found guilty not only have their children taken from them but serve their proper sentence for child rape, and accomplice to child rape for the mothers who allowed this to happen to their children. You're the one advocating that the government has no right to try these people or get involved or do anything at all. |
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Lester
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| Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 2:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Turk wrote: | One wife may be enough for you
But whats good for you may not be good for another
lets not be selfish here shall we? |
I said "hard enough", I'm just saying it would involve some pretty crazy pre-nups. Personally I have no problem with it. I'm sure you could just marry them all in different churches in L.A. if you really wanted to, if you did it fast enough, no-one would know. |
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