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Xerxes
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Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 3:24 pm Post subject:

Lester, I was being sarcastic. He did NOTHING! Except sit in the Oval Office with his feet up on the desk and talk about the good old days in Hollywood.

jusdeadphunky
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Joined: 05 Dec 2006
Posts: 2222

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 4:35 pm Post subject:

Xerxes wrote:

[size=18] He did NOTHING! /size]

well actually he did a whole lot of things to fuck up the country...he did nothing productive.

Lester
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Joined: 08 Dec 2006
Posts: 4650

Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 9:06 am Post subject:

I just thought I should have been informed that by belief system was abolished.

LastLogicalPerson2004
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Posts: 38
Location: Germantown, Maryland

Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 8:15 pm Post subject:

Equal opportunity. I am against Affirmative Action. It gives away jobs to people who just happen to have a dark skintone. And takes away jobs from others. Affirmative Action is making one side suffer and making the other benefit. That is wrong. And supporters just use the idea of "2 wrongs make a right".

I am going to support the war in Iraq. Give the military everything that they need. (I am in the US Navy). Dont withdraw democrats! Remember what happened in Nam with Nixon! The terrorists have said throughout history that the US is weak. If we flee from Iraq, they will have proof, therefore emboldening the terrorists more, which is not good. Some Mogadishu US veterans have said that they didn't agree with Clinton fleeing from the 1993 conflict. They say that if you are going to do something, stick with it and see it through, dont run away when the going gets tough.

Now look at Somalia today, not good. Iraq will be 100000 times worse if we surrender (Liberal view).

And blaming Bush for 9/11. Oh yeah, Osama was active way before GWB. And GWB got info all right, but it was not much. Just said "Osama wants to attack inside US". Thats like saying your neighbor wants to attack you. Then he buys a suitcase nuke and blows up your house and your neighborhood. Now people blame you for everything saying "You coulda stopped this". Then you say "I didnt know he was going to nuke me!"

Iran, whoo whee. Iran is A REAL threat. Iraq under Saddam was a potential threat. There are tons of people in Iran who despise Mahmoud. We need to help them overthrow him. But remember what happened in Afghanistan with the USSR!

The world is not a easy place to live. Liberals dont know that and they think everything is easy, which it isnt.

I believe the liberals want to reinstate the draft so people will dislike the GOP and vote Democrat in 2008. And they want to make the mission for the troops harder so they will get more votes. I could be wrong, Im not perfect lol

exton
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Joined: 13 Dec 2006
Posts: 4218

Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 1:20 am Post subject:

LastLogicalPerson2004 wrote:

I am going to support the war in Iraq. Give the military everything that they need. (I am in the US Navy). Dont withdraw democrats! Remember what happened in Nam with Nixon!

...the inevitable?

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The terrorists have said throughout history that the US is weak. If we flee from Iraq, they will have proof, therefore emboldening the terrorists more, which is not good.

Contrary to popular belief, the terrorists are not feral dogs. However deranged they may be, they're still humans.

As such, they aren't motivated by displays of weakness. They aren't motivated much by displays of strength, either. Neither of those things are germane to their ultimate goal, which is the destruction of the western way of life.

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Some Mogadishu US veterans have said that they didn't agree with Clinton fleeing from the 1993 conflict. They say that if you are going to do something, stick with it and see it through, dont run away when the going gets tough.

I'll bet they did say that.

I don't see what that has to do with the wisdom (or lack thereof) of leaving mogadishu.

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Now look at Somalia today, not good. Iraq will be 100000 times worse if we surrender (Liberal view).

And blaming Bush for 9/11. Oh yeah, Osama was active way before GWB. And GWB got info all right, but it was not much. Just said "Osama wants to attack inside US".

Actually, the information he received specified that the attack involved ramming aircraft into buildings.

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Iran, whoo whee. Iran is A REAL threat.

Uh. How so?

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Iraq under Saddam was a potential threat. There are tons of people in Iran who despise Mahmoud. We need to help them overthrow him.

It may come as surprise to you, but mahmoud is not a dictator. He was elected.
And even so, he's not the guy with all the power. He's just the most obnoxious of the lot.
The ones with the power are the religious leaders.

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But remember what happened in Afghanistan with the USSR!

Iran is not analagous to afganistan in any realistic sense.

And the reason the USSR had problems in afganistan was that we were helping the afganis.

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The world is not a easy place to live.

The world is not videogame or a movie. Life isn't as simple as acting tough and making war.

TrespassersW
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Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 3:49 pm Post subject:

exton wrote:

It may come as surprise to you, but mahmoud is not a dictator. He was elected.

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The world has been shocked, shocked to learn that Iran's presidential elections, of which the first round took place on June 17, were a sham. Did anyone really, seriously believe they would be anything but? Real power in Iran resides with the Mullahs, who did not hesitate to use that power to ensure that whoever is the next president of Iran, it will not be someone who attempts to challenge them.
http://www.washtimes.com/op-ed.....-5253r.htm

exton
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Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 9:32 pm Post subject:

You'll have to do better than an op-ed.

And yes, i know that it's actually a theocracy. That's why i said that the religious leaders have more power than him - because they do.

thelast007
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Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 11:28 pm Post subject:

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I wonder if citizens in other countries debate about our presidents power in America; believeing our president and elected officials are a slave to special interest, lobbyist, and big business. I wonder if they think big business is the real power in America & our elections aren't too far from a sham...i wonder.

does anyone travel abroad often and maybe can provide some insight?

TrespassersW
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Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 12:11 am Post subject:

exton wrote:

You'll have to do better than an op-ed.

I do?

exton
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Posts: 4218

Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 12:57 am Post subject:

Yes. To convince me, anyway. If i'm not your intended audience, then by all means, continue. But then i'd be confused as to why you were replying to me, without actually intending to communicate to me that which was in your reply....

TrespassersW
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Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 1:46 am Post subject:

exton wrote:

My guess is that you don't really want to be convinced, or rather that you don't really need to be. In fact, I'm quite sure you already are. You seem smart and well-informed enough to know that those elections were anything but fair and valid. My guess is that you simply want to quibble over my citation because giving other people a hard time is what makes this fun for you.

But if I'm wrong about that, please at least point me to which specific facts the author shares which you believe are fallacious or questionable so that I can find another source to support them. Then I'll see what I can dig up for you. Smile

exton
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Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 2:40 am Post subject:

TrespassersW wrote:

Hehe...i can't lie. That's part of it Smile

The other part is that i do not agree that it was completely rigged. That is to say, i don't think i'd agree that he was specifically hand-picked by the religious authority. Additionally, i still don't think mahmoud is a dictator - after all, it's the dictators who let him be elected.

TrespassersW
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Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 5:02 am Post subject:

Xerxes wrote:

Lester, I was being sarcastic. He did NOTHING! Except sit in the Oval Office with his feet up on the desk and talk about the good old days in Hollywood.

Didn't he cut taxes?

Lester
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Joined: 08 Dec 2006
Posts: 4650

Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 7:29 am Post subject:

TrespassersW wrote:

Xerxes wrote:

Lester, I was being sarcastic. He did NOTHING! Except sit in the Oval Office with his feet up on the desk and talk about the good old days in Hollywood.

Didn't he cut taxes?

No, those were toenails, they were just really biiig.

Xerxes
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Joined: 15 Mar 2007
Posts: 1564
Location: 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.

Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 3:16 pm Post subject:

TrespassersW wrote:

Didn't he cut taxes?

I would rather pay more taxes if it meant that there was some honesty and integrity in government. So what if he lowered taxes. He just raised them again.

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