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Turk
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Republicans love the welfare gravy train too
dont kid yourself |
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chevydriver1123
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| Turk wrote: | Republicans love the welfare gravy train too
dont kid yourself |
Yea just give to their religious buddies and disguise it as trying to "promote Christian values". |
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Turk
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And farm subsidies
and no bid contracts for the defense contract racket
and the iraq reconstruction racket |
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| Turk wrote: | Point all of the fingers that you all want to
Both republicans and democrats like welfare
They both love big goverment socialism |
If you really believe there is NO difference, what are you here discussing? |
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Turk
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| That they are both guilty and pointing fingers solves nothing |
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TrespassersW
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| Turk wrote: | | and no bid contracts for the defense contract racket |
There is no such thing as a no-bid contract. The term is misleading; it's a lazy short-hand for the practice of bundling associated contracts together and awarding--after a bidding process--all contracts so bundled to the winning bidder. There is a bid, it's just not on each individual contract. Get it? |
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| TrespassersW wrote: | | Turk wrote: | | and no bid contracts for the defense contract racket |
There is no such thing as a no-bid contract. The term is misleading; it's a lazy short-hand for the practice of bundling associated contracts together and awarding--after a bidding process--all contracts so bundled to the winning bidder. There is a bid, it's just not on each individual contract. Get it? |
I agree "No-bid contract" is a charged term, but, you are not exactly correct, Tress. There are contract awards based on sole-source requests for quote. These are contracts awarded to a company without being open to a public request for proposal or quotation.
Generally, they are used in the DoD contracting world when a "well-known" supplier is the only source for an article or technology and the contracting office can "prove" the need for a "sole-source". This contracting mechanism has been abused a number of times throughout the government, but it has also reduced cost of contracting in innumerable programs. |
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| fellfire wrote: | | TrespassersW wrote: | | Turk wrote: | | and no bid contracts for the defense contract racket |
There is no such thing as a no-bid contract. The term is misleading; it's a lazy short-hand for the practice of bundling associated contracts together and awarding--after a bidding process--all contracts so bundled to the winning bidder. There is a bid, it's just not on each individual contract. Get it? |
I agree "No-bid contract" is a charged term, but, you are not exactly correct, Tress. There are contract awards based on sole-source requests for quote. These are contracts awarded to a company without being open to a public request for proposal or quotation.
Generally, they are used in the DoD contracting world when a "well-known" supplier is the only source for an article or technology and the contracting office can "prove" the need for a "sole-source". This contracting mechanism has been abused a number of times throughout the government, but it has also reduced cost of contracting in innumerable programs. |
Thanks for this good information. Do you have a citation so I can learn more? Since what I wrote seems to be at least partially incorrect, I'd like to better understand this exception you've outlined.  |
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fellfire
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I Googled "govt sole source contract" and this turned up in the list, it seemed like a good overview.
http://www.rfp-templates.com/W.....ource.html
| Quote: | What is Sole Source?
Also know as: sole sourcing, sole source solicitation, sole source vendor, sole supplier, sole provider, sole source bidding, federal government sole source, sole distributor, sole reseller, sourcing, sole source supplier, sole source provider, sole source distributor, sole source reseller, sole sourced contract, sole source award, government solicitation, what is sole source procurement, what is sole source tender, government sole source, what is sole source award, sole source bidding, sole sourced acquisition, what is sole source solicitation, what is sole source bid, sole sourced procurement, sole-source bid, federal government sole source, what is sole source proposal, or what is sole source solicitation.
What is Sole Source?
Sole Source Definition
Sole source is a non-competitive purchase or procurement process accomplished after soliciting and negotiating with only one source, so-called sole source, thus limiting Full and Open Competition (FOC).
Sole Source is also known as: sole source procurement, sole sourcing, sole-sourced contract, direct sourcing, sole supplier, direct source,
sole-supplier procurement, sole-source tender, FAR sole source, federal sole source, government sole source, sole source tendering, government sole source contract, federal government sole source, sole source bid, sole source solicitation, noncompetitive negotiation, negotiated sole source, sole source bidding, or sole source procurement. |
My experience with this has been in technical engineering contracts, but it is used in other areas of the government. |
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Turk
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very good
this is no bid in a nutshell |
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nels96
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A REVOLUTION FOR THE US CONGRESS
I am proposing a popular, bloodless, political revolution in our country. I believe that it is very necessary, very possible, and very doable.
The object of this revolution is the destruction of the professional political class which currently dominates and corrupts the US Congress.
I am convinced, as are many, many voters, that the bulk of our country’s political problems arises out of this ‘permanent’ Congressional political class, and their devotion to party power and the financial special interests keeping them in power.
There is one way that voters can create this revolution, one that will destroy that political class, and which would redirect the country’s course for the better.
That way is to...NEVER REELECT ANY Congressional incumbent, anytime, in either the House or Senate, good guys or bad, in either party. Just NEVER REELECT!
And it wouldn’t cost much. Just a nationwide email campaign by voters, getting their friends, and their friends, and their friends, to send out this NEVER REELECT message, frequently, thru out 2008, 2010, and 2012, and maybe longer...Just NEVER REELECT!
If we succeed in doing this for two or three election cycles, we would sharply reduce the rate of successful reelections from over 98% (in the House) to less than 60%. Similarly in the Senate.
It would break the back of the special interests and allow more ‘citizen’ legislators, using the Internet, without special interest help, to run for and win office.
The resulting larger contingent of freshman Congresspeople would enable us to call for Term Limits of “6 Years and Out”, and for publicly funded elections, both of which would keep the professional pols and their financial backers on the sidelines
for a long, long time.
Let’s do it!
Nelson Lee Walker
Note to all readers: Please feel free to use this message, with or without attribution, for any purpose whatever. |
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cornopean
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| nels96 wrote: | A REVOLUTION FOR THE US CONGRESS
I am proposing a popular, bloodless, political revolution in our country. I believe that it is very necessary, very possible, and very doable.
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or we could just pass a law limiting all federal office holders to one term. |
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Toxic
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| Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 11:33 pm Post subject: Re: The 545 people responsible.... |
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| cornopean wrote: | | nels96 wrote: | A REVOLUTION FOR THE US CONGRESS
I am proposing a popular, bloodless, political revolution in our country. I believe that it is very necessary, very possible, and very doable.
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or we could just pass a law limiting all federal office holders to one term. |
Why would you limit my ability to re-elect my Congressperson who I may or may not like? If you don't like who is elected in your district, work to get someone else elected. Otherwise, keep your smarmy paws off my candidates. |
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Turk
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| Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 2:02 am Post subject: Re: The 545 people responsible.... |
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| cornopean wrote: | | nels96 wrote: | A REVOLUTION FOR THE US CONGRESS
I am proposing a popular, bloodless, political revolution in our country. I believe that it is very necessary, very possible, and very doable.
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or we could just pass a law limiting all federal office holders to one term. |
what and give them all a retirement with one term?
Fuck that
I say do away with the benefits and pay
let it be a public service not a royalty |
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