Anym
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| CustomFordGirl wrote: | | Lester wrote: | | Why is the ability to destroy life a quality you need to not be a failure as a human? |
Why is the ability to destroy life a personal choice in another topic? |
That depends on how you define life. Me like most normal people now that to have a life you must be a living thing and to be a living thing you must have a beating heart, and that's something a cluster of cells do not have. |
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exton
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| CustomFordGirl wrote: | | Lester wrote: | | Why is the ability to destroy life a quality you need to not be a failure as a human? |
Why is the ability to destroy life a personal choice in another topic? |
Your incoherent notions of "life" and "personhood" have little valid standing in law or sound morality. |
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Lester
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| Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 8:52 am Post subject: |
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| CustomFordGirl wrote: | | Lester wrote: | | Why is the ability to destroy life a quality you need to not be a failure as a human? |
Why is the ability to destroy life a personal choice in another topic? |
There is a difference between self-concious life and life that doesn't have that quality, I'm okay with people choosing to kill a cockroach, because it doesn't have any sense of self, and it's not nearly extinct. |
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G-Max
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| Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 12:00 am Post subject: Re: Stop feeling guilty about the death penalty by abolishin |
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| Lilmznicoleta wrote: |
Besides the fact that this is almost criminally sloppy, the real issue of course goes back to the fact that the death penalty should be considered cruel and unusual punishment in all cases. |
"Fact"? What a joke! That's an opinion at best and a fallacy at worst. I consider the death penalty to be far too humane. |
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exton
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| Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 12:38 am Post subject: Re: Stop feeling guilty about the death penalty by abolishin |
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| G-Max wrote: | | I consider the death penalty to be far too humane. |
Punishment for the sake of punishment is immature at best, and sociopathic at worst. |
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G-Max
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| Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 2:19 am Post subject: Re: Stop feeling guilty about the death penalty by abolishin |
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| exton wrote: | | G-Max wrote: | | I consider the death penalty to be far too humane. |
Punishment for the sake of punishment is immature at best, and sociopathic at worst. |
Ummm... okay... what does that have to do with anything? |
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exton
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| Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 3:19 am Post subject: |
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"The death penalty is far too humane"
Implies that you desire to cause great pain to offenders merely for the sake of punishing them. |
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carifairy
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It is very true that the death penalty is quite humane! They take extraordinary measures, including alcohol prepping the injection site, to ensure that the condemned person is executed as 'nicely' as possible.
There are people that are killed with such violence, pain, and torture, that lethal injection is a JOKE. That is my opinion, and opinions are like @ssholes, everyone has one..
I do not wish anyone to suffer, but there are killers that just laugh at the idea of lethal injection.. Wouldn't we all like to die in our sleep, painlessly, and peacefully? |
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Spider Jerusalem
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It's sad that we care more about the rights of the criminal then we do the victim. You want to talk about cruel and unusual? Immagine you're a ten year old boy and you wakeup to find your parents dead in a pool of blood cause some dick decided to stab your parents.
Immagine you're a widow mother with three kids and an unrealiable job.
Immagine you're a teenager and the happiest moment of your life is crushed because someone decided to kill your girlfriend.
No-one dare talk to me about cruel and unsual punishment. What did a victim do to ever deserve that? Nothing that's what.
I don't believe in the death penalty because I don't believe it teaches criminals anything. No, we need to be hardass. Chopoff the hands they used to kill with, pullout teeth till they have nothing but bloody gums, electroshock them to the point of they see colors with each new sound.
You want to talk about cruelty? Look at the bastard who would dare worry more about the criminal's liberties over the victim's. That's most deffinitely cruel and unusual if you ask me. |
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carifairy
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| Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 4:53 am Post subject: |
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YOU WANNA KNOW CRUELTY?
I was molested by my uncle for 5 YEARS, when I was just a WEE LITTLE GIRL.YES, I still remember it, even though I was hardly 5, it still haunts me.
I know cruelty, OKAY?!
AND the sick bastard got away with it, because my mother loved him so much that she said I could get over it.
YES, victims are often pushed aside because people often do care too much for the criminals.
I do believe in justice and due process, but my idea of justice is a little harsh for some people. |
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exton
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| Spider Jerusalem wrote: | | It's sad that we care more about the rights of the criminal then we do the victim. |
I have no issues with executing criminals. It's the methods we use, and the reasons that we do it, that i take issue with.
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You want to talk about cruel and unusual? Immagine you're a ten year old boy and you wakeup to find your parents dead in a pool of blood cause some dick decided to stab your parents.
Immagine you're a widow mother with three kids and an unrealiable job.
Immagine you're a teenager and the happiest moment of your life is crushed because someone decided to kill your girlfriend.
No-one dare talk to me about cruel and unsual punishment. What did a victim do to ever deserve that? Nothing that's what. |
Guess what? Life isn't fair.
That doesn't mean you get to harm other people to assuage your misery and self-pity.
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I don't believe in the death penalty because I don't believe it teaches criminals anything. No, we need to be hardass. Chopoff the hands they used to kill with, pullout teeth till they have nothing but bloody gums, electroshock them to the point of they see colors with each new sound. |
And if they're innocent?
Innocent men get convicted, you know.
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You want to talk about cruelty? Look at the bastard who would dare worry more about the criminal's liberties over the victim's. That's most deffinitely cruel and unusual if you ask me. |
Their liberties must be protected because they are the most at risk for having their liberties violated. If we let the vulnerable slip through, then we could be next. |
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exton
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| Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 6:48 am Post subject: |
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| carifairy wrote: |
I do believe in justice and due process, but my idea of justice is a little harsh for some people. |
What do you mean by "justice"?
Most people mean something like "revenge". |
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Lester
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| Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 11:24 am Post subject: |
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| carifairy wrote: | It is very true that the death penalty is quite humane! They take extraordinary measures, including alcohol prepping the injection site, to ensure that the condemned person is executed as 'nicely' as possible.
There are people that are killed with such violence, pain, and torture, that lethal injection is a JOKE. That is my opinion, and opinions are like @ssholes, everyone has one..
I do not wish anyone to suffer, but there are killers that just laugh at the idea of lethal injection.. Wouldn't we all like to die in our sleep, painlessly, and peacefully? |
No, for a few more years I would happily trade a painless death for the worst punishment you can think up, even a few more minutes, perhaps even more seconds.
exton- I don't care whether it's revenge or justice, killing is killing, and it's wrong. Is there any other punishment that involves something that would be a crime for anyone else? |
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ringwormbettie
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I would rather see someone that killed my best friend be starved to death in an abandoned well then get a shot and die. I like the well idea (or something like it) because it would make me feel better and it would save money. Not to mention we feed America's love of violence and hate! Win win situation! If we had the money to keep every murderer in prison until they die then I would be fine with letting them rot. But it would be nice if they could get ass raped and could only eat stale bread and water.
The sad thing is people can be falsely accused of murder and an innocent person can be killed/punished while the real killer walks free. |
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carifairy
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| The good news is that DNA testing is available, so we are likely endicting the correct criminal. |
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