Timetheos
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Toxic
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 Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 10:42 am Post subject: Re: Republicans are sooooo screwed with the Palin pick |
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| Timetheos wrote: | | http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/03/peggy-noonan-mike-murphy_n_123647.html |
Peggy Noonan was taken out of context (unfortunately). Here's her explanation:
http://online.wsj.com/public/a.....tions.html
| Quote: | Well, I just got mugged by the nature of modern media, and I wish it weren't my fault, but it is. Readers deserve an explanation, so I'm putting a new top on today's column and, with the forbearance of the Journal, here it is.
Wednesday afternoon, in a live MSNBC television panel hosted by NBC's political analyst Chuck Todd, and along with Republican strategist Mike Murphy, we discussed Sarah Palin's speech this evening to the Republican National Convention. I said she has to tell us in her speech who she is, what she believes, and why she's here. We spoke of Republican charges that the media has been unfair to Mrs. Palin, and I defended the view that while the media should investigate every quote and vote she's made, and look deeply into her career, it has been unjust in its treatment of her family circumstances, and deserved criticism for this.
When the segment was over and MSNBC was in commercial, Todd, Murphy and I continued our conversation, talking about the Palin choice overall. We were speaking informally, with some passion -- and into live mics. An audio tape of that conversation was sent, how or by whom I don't know, onto the internet. And within three hours I was receiving it from friends far and wide, asking me why I thought the McCain campaign is "over", as it says in the transcript of the conversation. Here I must plead some confusion. In our off-air conversation, I got on the subject of the leaders of the Republican party assuming, now, that whatever the base of the Republican party thinks is what America thinks. I made the case that this is no longer true, that party leaders seem to me stuck in the assumptions of 1988 and 1994, the assumptions that reigned when they were young and coming up. "The first lesson they learned is the one they remember," I said to Todd -- and I'm pretty certain that is a direct quote. But, I argued, that's over, those assumptions are yesterday, the party can no longer assume that its base is utterly in line with the thinking of the American people. And when I said, "It's over!" -- and I said it more than once -- that is what I was referring to. I am pretty certain that is exactly what Todd and Murphy understood I was referring to. In the truncated version of the conversation, on the Web, it appears I am saying the McCain campaign is over. I did not say it, and do not think it. In fact, at an on-the-record press symposium on the campaign on Monday, when all of those on the panel were pressed to predict who would win, I said that I didn't know, but that we just might find "This IS a country for old men." That is, McCain may well win. I do not think the campaign is over, I do not think this is settled, and did not suggest, back to the Todd-Murphy conversation, that "It's over." |
| Quote: | | http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/08/the-shock-of-pa.html#more |
Sullivan has been covering Republican discontent lately. I don't read his blog as often as I used to, but I've been catching up the past few weeks and there's been some great material.
LOL: | Quote: | | It's Bushism metastasized. |
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Timetheos
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| Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 11:19 am Post subject: |
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Here's Ben Stein:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OevzQ9XGd7Q
Reading PN's explanation, it doesn't whipe out all her comments:
| Quote: | CT: Yeah, I mean is she really the most qualified woman they could have turned to?
PN: The most qualified? No! I think they went for this -- excuse me-- political bullshit about narratives --
CT: Yeah they went to a narrative.
MM: I totally agree.
PN: Every time the Republicans do that, because that's not where they live and it's not what they're good at, they blow it.
MM: You know what's really the worst thing about it? The greatness of McCain is no cynicism, and this is cynical.
CT: This is cynical, and as you called it, gimmicky.
MM: Yeah.
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Perhaps it's not "over" in her mind, but you can tell she is not happy with the pick and is concerned about it.
(Slightly OT, but very funny: http://www.comedycentral.com/v.....oId=184086) |
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Toxic
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| Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 11:33 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Perhaps it's not "over" in her mind, but you can tell she is not happy with the pick and is concerned about it. |
She's definitely not sure about it. As she says:
| Quote: | | I suspect, as I say further in here, that her candidacy will be either dramatically successful or a dramatically not; it won't be something in between. |
Oh god! Seeing that picture while hearing Jon Stewart say "it appears Karl Rove is divided on the experience issue" was too funny!
What a load of bullshit the people featured on this episode are. I watched Palin's speech tonight with my friend and his family and we all kept imitating how whiny she was about the horrible liberal media.
God forbid they be allowed to question me! I'm only running for the vice presidency (what is it the VP does again?)! |
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cornopean
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| Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 10:07 pm Post subject: Re: Republicans are sooooo screwed with the Palin pick |
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andrew sullivan is not a conservative.
and chuckle chuckle shall we look at facts?
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories.....6798.shtml |
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Toxic
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| Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 11:09 pm Post subject: Re: Republicans are sooooo screwed with the Palin pick |
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| Quote: | | andrew sullivan is not a conservative. |
No, he's only libertarian.
| Quote: | | and chuckle chuckle shall we look at facts? |
lol, polls = facts. hahahah. Thanks for the chuckle chuckle. |
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chevydriver1123
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| Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 1:53 am Post subject: Re: Republicans are sooooo screwed with the Palin pick |
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| Toxic wrote: | | Quote: | | andrew sullivan is not a conservative. |
No, he's only libertarian.
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Libertarians arent conservatives, corno is right. Sadly. |
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cornopean
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| Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 2:15 am Post subject: Re: Republicans are sooooo screwed with the Palin pick |
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Ooop. I stink at math. sorry. cancel this. the point remains the same tho. Palin had 37.2 million viewers while Obama had 38.4 million viewers. |
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cornopean
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| Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 2:16 am Post subject: Re: Republicans are sooooo screwed with the Palin pick |
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| Toxic wrote: |
lol, polls = facts. hahahah. Thanks for the chuckle chuckle. |
Yes....the losing party is generally all against polls. we understand.  |
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Timetheos
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| Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 2:53 am Post subject: Re: Republicans are sooooo screwed with the Palin pick |
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| cornopean wrote: | | Toxic wrote: |
lol, polls = facts. hahahah. Thanks for the chuckle chuckle. |
Yes....the losing party is generally all against polls. we understand. |
Get a clue Corno.  One poll means squat. But then again, you admit you're bad with math so we should hold suspect any statistics you quote.
If you want to look at polls, look at the aggregates such as http://www.realclearpolitics.c.....html#chart
http://www.pollingreport.com/ also isn't bad.
They give a better indication of what is happening. |
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Toxic
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| Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 4:36 am Post subject: Re: Republicans are sooooo screwed with the Palin pick |
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| Quote: | | Yes....the losing party is generally all against polls. we understand. |
I didn't say the poll was wrong or biased. I laughed at the idea that you think a poll is fact. You're a simpleton. |
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Toxic
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| Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 4:38 am Post subject: Re: Republicans are sooooo screwed with the Palin pick |
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| Quote: | | Libertarians arent conservatives, corno is right. Sadly. |
Yes, yes they are. Conservative is a broad term used to describe many on the right. He's simply not a Republican per se. |
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Timetheos
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| Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 4:48 am Post subject: Re: Republicans are sooooo screwed with the Palin pick |
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| Toxic wrote: | | Quote: | | Libertarians arent conservatives, corno is right. Sadly. |
Yes, yes they are. Conservative is a broad term used to describe many on the right. He's simply not a Republican per se. |
He's only voted straight Republican since he started voting. |
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cornopean
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| Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 10:03 pm Post subject: Re: Republicans are sooooo screwed with the Palin pick |
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| Timetheos wrote: | | Toxic wrote: | | Quote: | | Libertarians arent conservatives, corno is right. Sadly. |
Yes, yes they are. Conservative is a broad term used to describe many on the right. He's simply not a Republican per se. |
He's only voted straight Republican since he started voting. |
Let me know when evidence starts to show up that the GOP is screwed with the Palin pick. |
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