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[quote="TrespassersW"][quote="Gothmog4"]Help me think this through: how does one balance compassion and empathy with free market economic policies?[/quote] By recognizing that government helps the greatest number of people by maximizing liberty, not by constraining it. [quote="Gothmog4"]How does one ignore the reality of structural social inequities and advocate for a "Your On Your Own" economic system?[/quote] I can't speak for others, but I don't advocate ignoring the plight of those who are less fortunate; rather, I advocate for working to truly understand why individuals find themselves in need, and for making sure that efforts made in the name of helping them actually help more than they hurt. Believing that the federal government should have no role in helping those in need does not mean I believe they should not be helped. It means I know that the Constitution does not empower the federal government to do charitable work and that I believe the historical record of their efforts is evidence that they are not achieving their goals. [quote="Gothmog4"]I am new to these forums.[/quote] Welcome! [quote="Gothmog4"]If you are going to respond with vitriol, don't bother.[/quote] Good luck with that. (Those who delight in spewing venom won't pass you by simply because you asked nicely.) :wink: [quote="Gothmog4"]If I wanted to get shrieked at, I'd be on the Daily Kos.[/quote] The best you can hope for here is that every other response won't contain shrieking. :shock:[/quote]
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Gothmog4
Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 12:13 am
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But I think we(the dems as a whole) as more socially right than people think.
Could you provide some examples?
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Just look at Tipper Gore's war on naughty music and Hillary Clinton's war on naughty video games
I do see the point of the First Amendment arguments against censorship, or even against "community standards," but I have to tell you, Anym: as a dad, and as a public school teacher, I am absolutely sickened by what's being marketed to and targeted at kids. The newest demographic is 'tweens', i.e. 9-12 year olds. It's disgusting, it's immoral, and it's everywhere. If you don't think this media pollution is having an impact on kids' behavior, go and watch a middle school dance some Friday night. Kids are losing their childhood because someone can make money by sexualizing them, or by selling them graphic, gratuitous violence. Legal? Yes. Moral? Not at all...so I salute both Hillary and Tipper for having the balls (
doh
!) to take this subject on at all.
Anym
Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 7:19 pm
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Gothmog4 wrote:
Why?
Because personally I don't like being told who I can or can't marry.
Also I believe in a women's right to choose.
But I think we(the dems as a whole) as more socially right than people think.
Just look at Tipper Gore's war on naughty music and Hillary Clinton's war on naughty video games.(personally I think there both insane on these issues)
Gothmog4
Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 3:48 pm
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Why?
Anym
Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 12:35 pm
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Gothmog4 wrote:
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hey I like over here. Thar be dragons.
No idea what you are on about, mate.
Moving having to the dems move to a socially conservative center.
I'm against that.
Gothmog4
Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 1:06 am
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hey I like over here. Thar be dragons.
No idea what you are on about, mate.
Anym
Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 10:43 pm
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Gothmog4 wrote:
My hope is that that the growing Hispanic population, a group that is genrally socially conservative, will pull the Dems. back from La-La Land.
hey I like over here. Thar be dragons.
TrespassersW
Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 7:59 pm
Post subject: Re: Conservative Democrat...I think?
Gothmog4 wrote:
Help me think this through: how does one balance compassion and empathy with free market economic policies?
By recognizing that government helps the greatest number of people by maximizing liberty, not by constraining it.
Gothmog4 wrote:
How does one ignore the reality of structural social inequities and advocate for a "Your On Your Own" economic system?
I can't speak for others, but I don't advocate ignoring the plight of those who are less fortunate; rather, I advocate for working to truly understand why individuals find themselves in need, and for making sure that efforts made in the name of helping them actually help more than they hurt. Believing that the federal government should have no role in helping those in need does not mean I believe they should not be helped. It means I know that the Constitution does not empower the federal government to do charitable work and that I believe the historical record of their efforts is evidence that they are not achieving their goals.
Gothmog4 wrote:
I am new to these forums.
Welcome!
Gothmog4 wrote:
If you are going to respond with vitriol, don't bother.
Good luck with that. (Those who delight in spewing venom won't pass you by simply because you asked nicely.)
Gothmog4 wrote:
If I wanted to get shrieked at, I'd be on the Daily Kos.
The best you can hope for here is that every other response won't contain shrieking.
Gothmog4
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 2:50 pm
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Let's just hope that whoever we get for the next President is a competent person of good will who can lead our nation into the future. America is a great country; I think that sometimes we forget that in what Dr. King called "the fierce urgency of now."
Turk
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 1:28 pm
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chevydriver1123 wrote:
Gothmog4 wrote:
Thanks, CheveyDriver. That's as good a description as I've ever seen. There sure aren't many of us. My little brother is always trying to get me over to the GOP with the claim--unfortunately all too accurate--that there is more ideological space in the Republican party than in the Democratic party. My hope is that that the growing Hispanic population, a group that is genrally socially conservative, will pull the Dems. back from La-La Land.
Im a Libertarian Republican but we have been shut out by the Religious Right.
And the Neocon left
chevydriver1123
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 1:27 pm
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Gothmog4 wrote:
Thanks, CheveyDriver. That's as good a description as I've ever seen. There sure aren't many of us. My little brother is always trying to get me over to the GOP with the claim--unfortunately all too accurate--that there is more ideological space in the Republican party than in the Democratic party. My hope is that that the growing Hispanic population, a group that is genrally socially conservative, will pull the Dems. back from La-La Land.
Im a Libertarian Republican but we have been shut out by the Religious Right.
Gothmog4
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 10:42 am
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Thanks, CheveyDriver. That's as good a description as I've ever seen. There sure aren't many of us. My little brother is always trying to get me over to the GOP with the claim--unfortunately all too accurate--that there is more ideological space in the Republican party than in the Democratic party. My hope is that that the growing Hispanic population, a group that is genrally socially conservative, will pull the Dems. back from La-La Land.
chevydriver1123
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 2:00 am
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Conservative Democrat eh?
Here you go
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservative_Democrat
Sometimes conservative dems are also called Blue Dog Democrats.
Toxic
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 1:26 am
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What about them applies to our discussion at hand? You do understand that neither of those are part of our system of government, right? What they say means nothing unless they are specifically added to documents that are part of our government, like the Constitution, which is exactly what these amendments you so despise did.
Turk
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 1:04 am
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Natural Law
English Common law
read about it
Toxic
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 12:12 am
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Turk wrote:
Alot of the amendments never had to be written because all of those things were rights to begin with.
They should of never had to be written
Can you cite specific examples? I'm not really seeing where this is true.
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