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[quote="Gothmog4"]Let's just hope that whoever we get for the next President is a competent person of good will who can lead our nation into the future. America is a great country; I think that sometimes we forget that in what Dr. King called "the fierce urgency of now."[/quote]
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<style type="text/css"> <!-- td.forumtitle { background-color: #669900; color: #FFFFFF; font-size: 10px; font-family: sans-serif; } table.forumborder { border: solid; border-width: 1px; border-color: #555555; } td.mnu { background-color: #BFBFBF; height: 1px; } --> </style> <table border="0" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" width="100%" class="forumborder"> <tr> <td class="forumtitle" width="22%">Author</th> <td class="forumtitle">Message</th> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Gothmog4</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/alexisBlue/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 12:13 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Quote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">But I think we(the dems as a whole) as more socially right than people think. </td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Could you provide some examples? <br /> <br /></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Quote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Just look at Tipper Gore's war on naughty music and Hillary Clinton's war on naughty video games</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />I do see the point of the First Amendment arguments against censorship, or even against "community standards," but I have to tell you, Anym: as a dad, and as a public school teacher, I am absolutely sickened by what's being marketed to and targeted at kids. The newest demographic is 'tweens', i.e. 9-12 year olds. It's disgusting, it's immoral, and it's everywhere. If you don't think this media pollution is having an impact on kids' behavior, go and watch a middle school dance some Friday night. Kids are losing their childhood because someone can make money by sexualizing them, or by selling them graphic, gratuitous violence. Legal? Yes. Moral? Not at all...so I salute both Hillary and Tipper for having the balls (<span style="font-style: italic">doh</span>!) to take this subject on at all.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/alexisBlue/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Anym</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/alexisBlue/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 7:19 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Gothmog4 wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Why?</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Because personally I don't like being told who I can or can't marry. <br />Also I believe in a women's right to choose. <br /> <br />But I think we(the dems as a whole) as more socially right than people think. <br /> <br />Just look at Tipper Gore's war on naughty music and Hillary Clinton's war on naughty video games.(personally I think there both insane on these issues)</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/alexisBlue/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Gothmog4</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/alexisBlue/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 3:48 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Why?</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/alexisBlue/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Anym</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/alexisBlue/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 12:35 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Gothmog4 wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Quote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">hey I like over here. Thar be dragons.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />No idea what you are on about, mate.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br />Moving having to the dems move to a socially conservative center. <br /> <br />I'm against that.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/alexisBlue/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Gothmog4</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/alexisBlue/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 1:06 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Quote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">hey I like over here. Thar be dragons.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />No idea what you are on about, mate.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/alexisBlue/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Anym</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/alexisBlue/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 10:43 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Gothmog4 wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">My hope is that that the growing Hispanic population, a group that is genrally socially conservative, will pull the Dems. back from La-La Land.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />hey I like over here. Thar be dragons.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/alexisBlue/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>TrespassersW</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/alexisBlue/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 7:59 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: Re: Conservative Democrat...I think?</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Gothmog4 wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Help me think this through: how does one balance compassion and empathy with free market economic policies?</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br />By recognizing that government helps the greatest number of people by maximizing liberty, not by constraining it. <br /> <br /></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Gothmog4 wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">How does one ignore the reality of structural social inequities and advocate for a "Your On Your Own" economic system?</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br />I can't speak for others, but I don't advocate ignoring the plight of those who are less fortunate; rather, I advocate for working to truly understand why individuals find themselves in need, and for making sure that efforts made in the name of helping them actually help more than they hurt. Believing that the federal government should have no role in helping those in need does not mean I believe they should not be helped. It means I know that the Constitution does not empower the federal government to do charitable work and that I believe the historical record of their efforts is evidence that they are not achieving their goals. <br /> <br /></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Gothmog4 wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">I am new to these forums.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br />Welcome! <br /> <br /></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Gothmog4 wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">If you are going to respond with vitriol, don't bother.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br />Good luck with that. (Those who delight in spewing venom won't pass you by simply because you asked nicely.) <img src="images/smiles/icon_wink.gif" alt="Wink" border="0" /> <br /> <br /></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Gothmog4 wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">If I wanted to get shrieked at, I'd be on the Daily Kos.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br />The best you can hope for here is that every other response won't contain shrieking. <img src="images/smiles/icon_eek.gif" alt="Shocked" border="0" /></span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/alexisBlue/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Gothmog4</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/alexisBlue/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 2:50 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Let's just hope that whoever we get for the next President is a competent person of good will who can lead our nation into the future. America is a great country; I think that sometimes we forget that in what Dr. King called "the fierce urgency of now."</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/alexisBlue/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Turk</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/alexisBlue/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 1:28 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>chevydriver1123 wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Gothmog4 wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Thanks, CheveyDriver. That's as good a description as I've ever seen. There sure aren't many of us. My little brother is always trying to get me over to the GOP with the claim--unfortunately all too accurate--that there is more ideological space in the Republican party than in the Democratic party. My hope is that that the growing Hispanic population, a group that is genrally socially conservative, will pull the Dems. back from La-La Land.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br /> <br />Im a Libertarian Republican but we have been shut out by the Religious Right.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody">And the Neocon left</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/alexisBlue/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>chevydriver1123</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/alexisBlue/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 1:27 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Gothmog4 wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Thanks, CheveyDriver. That's as good a description as I've ever seen. There sure aren't many of us. My little brother is always trying to get me over to the GOP with the claim--unfortunately all too accurate--that there is more ideological space in the Republican party than in the Democratic party. My hope is that that the growing Hispanic population, a group that is genrally socially conservative, will pull the Dems. back from La-La Land.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br /> <br />Im a Libertarian Republican but we have been shut out by the Religious Right.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/alexisBlue/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Gothmog4</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/alexisBlue/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 10:42 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Thanks, CheveyDriver. That's as good a description as I've ever seen. There sure aren't many of us. My little brother is always trying to get me over to the GOP with the claim--unfortunately all too accurate--that there is more ideological space in the Republican party than in the Democratic party. My hope is that that the growing Hispanic population, a group that is genrally socially conservative, will pull the Dems. back from La-La Land.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/alexisBlue/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>chevydriver1123</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/alexisBlue/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 2:00 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Conservative Democrat eh? <br /> <br />Here you go <br /> <br /><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservative_Democrat" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservative_Democrat</a> <br /> <br />Sometimes conservative dems are also called Blue Dog Democrats.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/alexisBlue/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Toxic</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/alexisBlue/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 1:26 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">What about them applies to our discussion at hand? You do understand that neither of those are part of our system of government, right? What they say means nothing unless they are specifically added to documents that are part of our government, like the Constitution, which is exactly what these amendments you so despise did.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/alexisBlue/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Turk</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/alexisBlue/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 1:04 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Natural Law <br />English Common law <br />read about it</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/alexisBlue/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Toxic</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/alexisBlue/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 12:12 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Turk wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">Alot of the amendments never had to be written because all of those things were rights to begin with. <br />They should of never had to be written</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Can you cite specific examples? I'm not really seeing where this is true.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/alexisBlue/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> </table>
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