Turk
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So why is there nothing being done about it?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....A&NR=1
They work for the public so they should be accountable to the public.
Policies that protect police officers from facing justice must be changed. |
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Timetheos
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| Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 5:15 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | So why is there nothing being done about it? |
Because everytime a politician tries to do some about police brutality, they are labeled "soft on crime" and generally not re-elected. |
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| Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 10:11 pm Post subject: |
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Which is utter bullshit
police brutality is a crime
a crime against the public
politicians need to send a message of accountability
and crackdown on police brutality |
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| Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 3:31 am Post subject: |
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| Turk wrote: | Which is utter bullshit
police brutality is a crime
a crime against the public
politicians need to send a message of accountability
and crackdown on police brutality |
I agree. I just told you why.
| Quote: | So why is there nothing being done about it?
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The ugly facts are:
* Approx. 28% of the people think cops should beat more heads (you know, the 28%ers that think Bush is a major deity, that it's perfectly fine to suspend Habeus Corpus (sp?), that it's fine to search without warrants,...)
* This 28% tends to more actively vote than the rest of society, giving them disproportionate representation
* The Republicans are actively suppressing the vote of those that would typically be concerned about police brutality.
* The corporate media loves to see heads mashed in. It's good for ratings, and a docile consumer is good for profits.
* Too many libertarian-types (not all, but a significant amount) are more worried about tax cuts and cutting business regulations than they are about free speech/civil rights/police brutality, so they tend to vote Republican.
* The DLC/Corporate Dems aren't going to do anything about police brutality, afraid that their corporate masters will get angry and that they will be crucified on Faux News.
Authoritarian types love to see bashed heads. It makes them feel like they are "cleaning up the world". Authoritarian types tend to come in 3 flavors based on economic policies: Communist, Facist, and "whatever I fee like". Unfortunatly, it seems like facism is on the rise again in the US.
If you doubt me, read John Dean's book "Conservatives without Conscience" or Joe Conason's "It can happen here".
People forget that there was once coup plot against FDR by facists (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Plot, http://www.prisonplanet.com/ar.....stcoup.htm) |
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http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/.....index.html
Why were they all not fired and given jail time to boot?
PHILADELPHIA, Pennsylvania (CNN) -- Four Philadelphia police officers will be fired, three others will be disciplined and a supervising sergeant will be demoted because of the violent beating of three suspects caught after a shooting, the city's mayor and police commissioner said Monday.
Aerial footage from WTXF-TV shows police officers beating suspects in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.
1 of 2 On May 5, a television news helicopter captured footage of more than a dozen predominantly white police officers pulling three African-American men out of a car after a pursuit.
The video footage shows the officers kicking, punching and striking the suspects with batons while the men lie restrained on the ground.
Two of the men were struck at least 20 times each. Watch the officers pummel the men »
"The video kind of speaks for itself," Police Commissioner Charles Ramsey told WTXF-TV's "Good Day Philadelphia" on May 6.
Ramsey and Philadelphia Mayor Michael Nutter have said the beatings were inexcusable but had nothing to do with race. See the community reaction to the case »
Police identified the three suspects as Dwayne Dyches, 24; Brian Hall, 23; and Pete Hopkins, 19. They have been charged with criminal conspiracy, aggravated and simple assault and reckless endangerment.
The suspects were believed to have been involved in a triple shooting at a streetcorner, Ramsey said. Of the 19 officers on the scene when the suspects were apprehended, eight had physical contact with the suspects, and a police review found only one of them to have acted within appropriate limits, he said.
Thirty-fifth District officers Vincent Strain, Patrick Gallagher, Patrick Whalen and Robert Donnelly are being dismissed for indiscriminate use of force, he said. Narcotics Strike Force officer Sean Bascom, 25th District officer Jonathon Czapor and 35th District officer Demetrios Pittaoulis are being suspended for from five to 15 days.
Although the supervising sergeant on the scene, Joseph Shiavone, did not have physical contact with the suspects, he is being demoted for his failure to intervene or subdue his subordinates.
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The district attorney's office and the FBI will continue their investigations of the incident, Ramsey said. He also said an outside group, the Police Executive Research Forum, has been contracted to further review the department's policies and procedures.
Lemoia Dyches, the mother of one of the suspects, said she was unable to see her son after his arrest. "They wouldn't even permit his attorney to see him," she said. "It strikes me as strange."
The police commissioner initially said officers had seen the suspects fire shots, injuring three people on a streetcorner. Three suspects fled the scene in a vehicle, and a fourth -- the shooter -- escaped on foot, Ramsey originally said.
However, media reports this weekend indicate police have changed their account; they now allege Hopkins was the shooter.
Deputy Commissioner Richard Ross, in charge of field operations, told The Philadelphia Inquirer there was confusion during the investigation over whether the gunman fled or returned to the vehicle.
"We certainly believe based on police witness accounts that four people drive up," Ross told the newspaper. "Then three people get back in the car and drive off."
The gunman got back in the car, Ross said. Police told the Inquirer they are still seeking a fourth suspect.
Ramsey said the police force has been under stress since Sgt. Stephen Liczbinski was shot and killed with an assault rifle May 3 while responding to a bank robbery. One suspect in that shooting was killed by police in the confrontation, and another has been apprehended. A third suspect is at large.
Authorities want to know whether the officers' emotions over Liczbinski's death -- and their desire to apprehend the suspect who remains at large -- had a role in their actions.
Stress levels among officers on the street are "simply too high," and the department aims to eliminate 12-hour shifts, Ramsey said soon after the incident. |
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I think there is another problem, namely that people don't want to be officers anymore, so what do you get? The slightly sociopathic guys who revel in authority.
(not all police, but some) |
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| Lester wrote: | I think there is another problem, namely that people don't want to be officers anymore, so what do you get? The slightly sociopathic guys who revel in authority.
(not all police, but some) |
yeah its that some that give the rest a very bad name, and they wonder why they never get any respect.
They need to be policed themselves, they have already proven that they cannot police themselves |
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| Turk wrote: | | Lester wrote: | I think there is another problem, namely that people don't want to be officers anymore, so what do you get? The slightly sociopathic guys who revel in authority.
(not all police, but some) |
yeah its that some that give the rest a very bad name, and they wonder why they never get any respect.
They need to be policed themselves, they have already proven that they cannot police themselves |
The question, as always, is "who watches the watchmen?" |
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You need to post this stuff on the conservative board Turk. Liberal types have never been big on police brutality.
(Remember, it was union-types that got their heads busted in by cops and corporate thugs in the late 1800s, early 1900s. It's liberals that fought for the video taping of police interviews to help stop coercion. It's progressives that are trying to fight torture...) |
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