cornopean
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Liberals call Obama's lack of experience a refreshing perspective from someone who is an outsider.
Palin's lack of experience is a dangerous risk and she'd make a very fragile president.
Come on folks....get real they both lack experience.....but your inexperienced guy is the lead dog. Our's is second fiddle.
I love it. I love it. Libs are going to harp on that inexperience string all the way to November and there are four fingers pointing right back at them.  |
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Toxic
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I saw this in a picture I wish I had saved:
Obama = Judgement
McCain = Experience
Biden = Both
Palin = Neither
Your ability to try and make Obama's "inexperience" a big deal died when they picked Palin. Obama may be new to Washington, but he has been involved in a lot in his years. Palin has... taken money from oil companies, supported the Alaskan bridge to nowhere, ripped off the City of Wasilla during her tenure as mayor, etc. etc. |
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Turk
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Want to look at her in the view of her own state.
Look up anchorage daily news with her trooper gate scandal.
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cornopean
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| Turk wrote: | Want to look at her in the view of her own state.
Look up anchorage daily news with her trooper gate scandal.
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yea let's do that.
Palin frequently had an approval rating above 90% in 2007.[27] A poll published by Hays Research on July 28, 2008 showed Palin's approval rating at 80%,[28] while another Ivan Moore poll showed it at 76%, a drop which the pollsters attributed to the controversial firing of Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan.
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cornopean
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| Toxic wrote: | I saw this in a picture I wish I had saved:
Obama = Judgement
McCain = Experience
Biden = Both
Palin = Neither |
well why can't the GOP claim Palin has "judgment"? if Obama can claim it, why can't Palin? don't you think that "judgment" is a category that libs and cons are going to apply differently?
| Quote: | | Your ability to try and make Obama's "inexperience" a big deal died when they picked Palin. Obama may be new to Washington, but he has been involved in a lot in his years. |
indeed he has. here is one example.
http://www.usnews.com/blogs/ba.....ayers.html
but go ahead.....what else has Obama been "involved" in? how about some legislation that he has championed? anything there?
| Quote: | | Palin has... taken money from oil companies, |
I guess we live in different universes. in my universe, she raised taxes on the oil companies.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/200....._energy_dc
| Quote: | | supported the Alaskan bridge to nowhere |
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this is just false.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/09/22/alaska.bridge.ap/
| Quote: | | ripped off the City of Wasilla during her tenure as mayor, etc. etc. |
what? the news from wasilla appears to be good.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/.....etown.html
are you reading Kos again? HuffPo? |
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Toxic
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| Quote: | | well why can't the GOP claim Palin has "judgment"? if Obama can claim it, why can't Palin? don't you think that "judgment" is a category that libs and cons are going to apply differently? |
Absolutely. Can you name some things that Palin has done that required good judgement?
Obama was eight when Ayers committed his crimes. This is just more of you demanding everyone denounce anything you don't like whether it involves them or not just to stroke your own ego.
| Quote: | | but go ahead.....what else has Obama been "involved" in? how about some legislation that he has championed? anything there? |
| Quote: | When Obama was elected to the U.S. Senate, he said he wished to get things done rather than grab headlines.
He teamed with Sen. Richard Lugar, R-Ind., to study the dangers of nuclear proliferation and pass legislation meant to keep nuclear material from falling into the hands of terrorists.
Obama also joined with Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Okla., after Hurricane Katrina to improve oversight of federal spending.
And he shared billing with a Republican presidential hopeful when he joined Arizona Sen. John McCain in sponsoring legislation that called for sharp, mandatory cuts in greenhouse gas emissions. |
Also: http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....03303.html
And? Republicans have taxed the middle class before? That doesn't mean they couldn't have possibly gotten donations from the middle class.
No it's not. (You realize your link did nothing to show that my claim was false, right?)
| Quote: | Republicans have been heavily touting Sarah Palin's reformist credentials, with her supposed opposition to Alaska's "Bridge to Nowhere" as Exhibit A. But how hard did she really fight the project? Not very, it seems. Here's what she told the Anchorage Daily News on October 22, 2006, during the race for the governor's seat (via Nexis):
5. Would you continue state funding for the proposed Knik Arm and Gravina Island bridges?
Yes. I would like to see Alaska's infrastructure projects built sooner rather than later. The window is now--while our congressional delegation is in a strong position to assist.
So she was very much for the bridge and insisted that Alaska had to act quickly--the party of Ted Stevens and Don Young might soon lose its majority, after all. By that point, the project was endangered for reasons that had nothing to do with Palin--the bridge had become a national laughingstock, Congress had stripped away the offending earmark, shifting the money back to the state's general fund, and future federal support seemed unlikely. |
| Quote: | | what? the news from wasilla appears to be good. |
Palin helped create a land management debacle in Wasilla while mayor that cost the city millions, and is still being resolved. I can't find my link to this though, so I'll back off it for now. |
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Turk
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She is a pubic hair away from coming under impeachment by state congress a republican controlled congress may I add.
For the trooper gate scandal and other things, using her influence as governor to pressure public officials.
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cornopean
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| Toxic wrote: | | Absolutely. Can you name some things that Palin has done that required good judgement? |
Well let me start by saying she showed pretty poor judgment when she supported and signed the tax increase on the oil companies. on the other hand, she also showed excellent judgment when she asked GOP senator Ted Stevens to come clean on the charges against him.
During her first year in office, Palin distanced herself from the old guard, powerful Republicans in the state GOP, even calling on tightlipped, veteran U.S. Sen. Ted Stevens to explain to Alaskans why he was being investigated by federal authorities.
She also showed excellent judgment by opposing the crazy earmarking craze and finally opposing the bridge to nowhere
She asked Alaska's congressional delegation to be more selective in seeking earmarks after Alaska's "Bridge to Nowhere" became a national symbol of piggish pork-barrel spending.
she also showed good judgment by pushing for more oil drilling in Alaska.
| Quote: | | Obama was eight when Ayers committed his crimes. This is just more of you demanding everyone denounce anything you don't like whether it involves them or not just to stroke your own ego. |
Why won't the Richard J. Daley Library open the CAC archive?
http://www.usnews.com/blogs/ba.....ayers.html
| Quote: | | He teamed with Sen. Richard Lugar, R-Ind., to study the dangers of nuclear proliferation and pass legislation meant to keep nuclear material from falling into the hands of terrorists. |
ok...good. nothing to write home about tho.
| Quote: | | Obama also joined with Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Okla., after Hurricane Katrina to improve oversight of federal spending. |
excellent. I sincerely congratulate him on this.
| Quote: | | And he shared billing with a Republican presidential hopeful when he joined Arizona Sen. John McCain in sponsoring legislation that called for sharp, mandatory cuts in greenhouse gas emissions. |
ugh. 
| Quote: | No it's not. (You realize your link did nothing to show that my claim was false, right?)
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it's up to you to prove it, sir.
and I agree that she initially supported the bridge until she saw the costs involved. then she killed it, so she gets credit for nixing it.
and how do you explain the fact that the people of Wasilla love her and that she has something like an 80 percent approval rating in her state? |
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cornopean
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| deleted someone better fix that double posting problem |
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It's amazing that no matter how many times Obama's accomplishment/intentions are broken down Barney style the Right still keeps it's head in the sand and refuses to acknowledge it.
Anyway, the experience arguement is too easily debunked. It's easier for Obama to debunk it than Palin cause when confronted with the issue of his lack of experience all Obama has to do is say one workd, "Cheney". Cheney had a whole lotta experience.
The issue isn't really experience for me. My issue is 1) how utterly hypocritical the Republicans have made themselves look picking Palin since she is no more experienced than Obama and 2) if I was a woman I'd be insulted by this notion that just because she has a vagina women will automatically vote for her. |
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cornopean
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| Spartacus wrote: |
The issue isn't really experience for me. |
I agree. but right now, its the dems who are harping on the "inexperience" string.
| Quote: | My issue is 1) how utterly hypocritical the Republicans have made themselves look picking Palin since she is no more experienced than Obama
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one major difference. the inexperience on the democrat side is Obama who is your lead dog. the inexperience on our side is 2nd fiddle. that is noteworthy.
| Quote: | | and 2) if I was a woman I'd be insulted by this notion that just because she has a vagina women will automatically vote for her. |
then all blacks should be insulted since Obama is black and the dems nominated him for no other reason than he is black (which he really isn't).
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| Quote: | | I agree. but right now, its the dems who are harping on the "inexperience" string. |
True, but they shouldn't.
| Quote: | | one major difference. the inexperience on the democrat side is Obama who is your lead dog. the inexperience on our side is 2nd fiddle. that is noteworthy. |
Why? If people can have good judgement but little experience than what difference does it make?
| Quote: | | then all blacks should be insulted since Obama is black and the dems nominated him for no other reason than he is black (which he really isn't). |
No, that's completely different. Obama and Hillary made this race interesting. They're the trend setters and now the Right is using an obviously ploy to try and create buzz of their own. |
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cornopean
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| Quote: | | Quote: | | one major difference. the inexperience on the democrat side is Obama who is your lead dog. the inexperience on our side is 2nd fiddle. that is noteworthy. |
Why? If people can have good judgement but little experience than what difference does it make?
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ok fine. but then why can't cons claim that Palin has good judgment? if you can claim good judgment for Obama, then we are free to do the same for Palin.
| Quote: | | No, that's completely different. Obama and Hillary made this race interesting. They're the trend setters and now the Right is using an obviously ploy to try and create buzz of their own. |
ok fine. I have no problem with that. they want to win the election. so what. it was a shrewd pick. |
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