cornopean
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| Spartacus wrote: | | Double post. |
JLV......??? are you on this??? hello? |
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Toxic
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| Quote: | | on the other hand, she also showed excellent judgment when she asked GOP senator Ted Stevens to come clean on the charges against him. |
http://tpmelectioncentral.talk.....tevens.php
lol.
But seriously, how does that require good judgement? He's been indicted on multiple counts, as have multiple other Alaskan officials. What else would she do? Ignore it? Support them? Those are both political suicide.
| Quote: | | During her first year in office, Palin distanced herself from the old guard, powerful Republicans in the state GOP, even calling on tightlipped, veteran U.S. Sen. Ted Stevens to explain to Alaskans why he was being investigated by federal authorities. |
Great. Just like half of the Republican Party and most of the Democratic Party.
| Quote: | | She also showed excellent judgment by opposing the crazy earmarking craze and finally opposing the bridge to nowhere |
She didn't oppose it until way after it become a laughingstock! I posted information on that!
| Quote: | | she also showed good judgment by pushing for more oil drilling in Alaska. |
| Quote: | | "I beg to disagree with any candidate who would say we can't drill our way out of our problem," she says." |
Yeah, great judgement. 
| Quote: | | Why won't the Richard J. Daley Library open the CAC archive? |
Probably because they're in the tank for Obama omg conspiracy!!!!
I have no idea. I don't work the for the library. Have you taken the time to email them about it?
| Quote: | | it's up to you to prove it, sir. |
I did. She wanted that bridge until it became very clear that the bridge was a huge embarrassment for the state, at which point she conveniently began to oppose it.
| Quote: | Republicans have been heavily touting Sarah Palin's reformist credentials, with her supposed opposition to Alaska's "Bridge to Nowhere" as Exhibit A. But how hard did she really fight the project? Not very, it seems. Here's what she told the Anchorage Daily News on October 22, 2006, during the race for the governor's seat (via Nexis):
5. Would you continue state funding for the proposed Knik Arm and Gravina Island bridges?
Yes. I would like to see Alaska's infrastructure projects built sooner rather than later. The window is now--while our congressional delegation is in a strong position to assist.
So she was very much for the bridge and insisted that Alaska had to act quickly--the party of Ted Stevens and Don Young might soon lose its majority, after all. By that point, the project was endangered for reasons that had nothing to do with Palin--the bridge had become a national laughingstock, Congress had stripped away the offending earmark, shifting the money back to the state's general fund, and future federal support seemed unlikely. |
| Quote: | | and I agree that she initially supported the bridge until she saw the costs involved. then she killed it, so she gets credit for nixing it. |
She gets credit for nixing something she supported whole-heartedly and even wanted to kickstart again even after it was being noticed by the national media and poked fun at?
| Quote: | | and how do you explain the fact that the people of Wasilla love her and that she has something like an 80 percent approval rating in her state? |
I don't. I don't live in Alaska so I have no idea why the people of Wasilla or Alaska like her. I do think it's crazy that she has such a high approval rating when in reality she has done literally nothing useful for her state.
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Toxic
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| Quote: | | then all blacks should be insulted since Obama is black and the dems nominated him for no other reason than he is black |
I've never seen such blatant bullshit in my entire life. |
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Spartacus
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| Quote: | | ok fine. but then why can't cons claim that Palin has good judgment? if you can claim good judgment for Obama, then we are free to do the same for Palin. |
They could, if they hadn't harped on experience so much. Now it's just hypocritical.
| Quote: | | ok fine. I have no problem with that. they want to win the election. so what. it was a shrewd pick. |
That's one way of looking at it, I suppose. To me it's such an obvious ploy it's insulting. |
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cornopean
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| Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 4:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Spartacus wrote: | | Quote: | | ok fine. but then why can't cons claim that Palin has good judgment? if you can claim good judgment for Obama, then we are free to do the same for Palin. |
They could, if they hadn't harped on experience so much. Now it's just hypocritical. |
hypocritical might be too strong a word. I would just call it political. happens all the time in politics.
but libs still have to face that fact that the inexperience on the democratic ticket is running for president (i.e. Obama).
The inexperience on our ticket is running for VP (i.e. Palin). You haven't addressed this yet. |
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Spartacus
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| cornopean wrote: | | Spartacus wrote: | | Quote: | | ok fine. but then why can't cons claim that Palin has good judgment? if you can claim good judgment for Obama, then we are free to do the same for Palin. |
They could, if they hadn't harped on experience so much. Now it's just hypocritical. |
hypocritical might be too strong a word. I would just call it political. happens all the time in politics.
but libs still have to face that fact that the inexperience on the democratic ticket is running for president (i.e. Obama).
The inexperience on our ticket is running for VP (i.e. Palin). You haven't addressed this yet. |
I haven't addressed it cause I already said it's irrelevant to me. The experience argument is completely bogus in all things other than pointing out the Republicans hypocritical crap. And no, hypocritical is exactly the right word and political is a rationalization.
Whens the last time a party blatantly contradicted themselves RIGHT after making a fuss about something? I can think of the Republicans pressuring Clinton to get out of Bosnia and than being all about taking over the world after 9/11 but that doesn't really count since it was years apart. Changing minds and stances is one thing but this is another. One minute they harp on experience and the next they want to put a lady less experienced than Obama a heartbeat away from presidency? |
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Toxic
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| Quote: | | then all blacks should be insulted since Obama is black and the dems nominated him for no other reason than he is black |
This is not something I'm going to let go away, corno. There is no affirmative action for politicians. Why are you saying that a black man couldn't possibly be nominated for President for anything other than the fact that he's black? |
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cornopean
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| Toxic wrote: | | Quote: | | then all blacks should be insulted since Obama is black and the dems nominated him for no other reason than he is black |
This is not something I'm going to let go away, corno. There is no affirmative action for politicians. Why are you saying that a black man couldn't possibly be nominated for President for anything other than the fact that he's black? |
listen to your own people
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03.....paign.html |
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Toxic
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That's your defense for being a racist prick? "Ferraro did it too!" Wow, talk about belief in self-responsibility! |
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cornopean
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| Toxic wrote: |
That's your defense for being a racist prick? "Ferraro did it too!" Wow, talk about belief in self-responsibility! |
here you go again finding racists under every stone. how is the simple recognition that Obama's being black and Palin's being a woman is a huge reason for their success? Did anyone say they hate blacks or they hate women? |
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Timetheos
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| cornopean wrote: | | Toxic wrote: |
That's your defense for being a racist prick? "Ferraro did it too!" Wow, talk about belief in self-responsibility! |
here you go again finding racists under every stone. how is the simple recognition that Obama's being black and Palin's being a woman is a huge reason for their success? Did anyone say they hate blacks or they hate women? |
So does being a white male contribute to your success? How about mine? Then what about Blacks? Women? Asians?... It's all bullshit Corno.
Fact is, I'd vote for Obama be he black, white, male, female... I believe in his vision and his intelligence, something missing from the last 8 years and J. Sydney McSame III.
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"In fact, in a January 13 article (accessed via the Nexis database) in Congressional Quarterly, a non-partisan publication that tracks legislators' votes, found that McCain was the Bush administration's most reliable vote in 2007: "Repeated votes on immigration and the Iraq War also helped elevate Republican John McCain of Arizona, one of Bush's chief adversaries in the Senate in 2005, to be one of his biggest supporters in 2007. McCain's 95 percent support score for last year was the highest in the chamber."" |
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Toxic
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| Quote: | | here you go again finding racists under every stone. how is the simple recognition that Obama's being black and Palin's being a woman is a huge reason for their success? |
No, no, you didn't say a huge reason, you said the SOLE reason. That's the assumption that a black man couldn't possibly be the presidential nominee except for his blackness. Those were YOUR words my friend, not mine or Ferraro's. |
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cornopean
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| Timetheos wrote: |
So does being a white male contribute to your success? How about mine? Then what about Blacks? Women? Asians?... It's all bullshit Corno. |
don't understand your point. |
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cornopean
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| Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 10:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Toxic wrote: | | Quote: | | here you go again finding racists under every stone. how is the simple recognition that Obama's being black and Palin's being a woman is a huge reason for their success? |
No, no, you didn't say a huge reason, you said the SOLE reason. That's the assumption that a black man couldn't possibly be the presidential nominee except for his blackness. Those were YOUR words my friend, not mine or Ferraro's. |
I will retract the word "sole". Obama's being black is his main reason for his success. Now....where is the racism? |
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