Xerxes
Forum Elder
Joined: 15 Mar 2007
Posts: 1564
Location: 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
jusdeadphunky
Forum Elder
Joined: 05 Dec 2006
Posts: 2222
|
 Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 11:33 pm Post subject: |
 |
|
|
| we should all know they do it, so this should not come as a shock to anyone. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
little lai
Known Associate
Joined: 29 Apr 2007
Posts: 161
Location: lodi, CA
|
| Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 4:17 pm Post subject: |
|
|
|
| if these accusations are true it will not be long before the court martials begin. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
fellfire
Forum Elder
Joined: 13 Apr 2007
Posts: 2021
Location: Washington DC
|
| Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 5:58 pm Post subject: |
|
|
|
| little lai wrote: | | if these accusations are true it will not be long before the court martials begin. |
Court martials will not begin, even if this did happen. What grounds are there for a court martial? If there is an Afghani law that was broken, then it would be up to the Afghans to put their soldiers on trial and/or request that the US forces turn over US soldiers. That's not going to happen. What part of the Uniform Code of Conduct was breached in this incident? I doubt any.
Now, having said that, it was the wrong thing for the US and Afghan militaries to do. But it was done and by doing this (confiscating/deleting photos) the militaries have practically admitted the events occured as the reporters describe. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
jusdeadphunky
Forum Elder
Joined: 05 Dec 2006
Posts: 2222
|
| Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 6:00 pm Post subject: |
|
|
|
| fellfire wrote: | | [But it was done and by doing this (confiscating/deleting photos) the militaries have practically admitted the events occured as the reporters describe. |
this sort of sounds like the reasoning of if you get pulled over and deny the cop permission to search your car, then you must be hiding something. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
fellfire
Forum Elder
Joined: 13 Apr 2007
Posts: 2021
Location: Washington DC
|
| Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 6:32 pm Post subject: |
|
|
|
| jusdeadphunky wrote: | | fellfire wrote: | | [But it was done and by doing this (confiscating/deleting photos) the militaries have practically admitted the events occured as the reporters describe. |
this sort of sounds like the reasoning of if you get pulled over and deny the cop permission to search your car, then you must be hiding something. |
But keep in mind, that if the cop has a reasonable concern, he can hold you until a warrent can be obtained to search your car. If a citizen photographed you putting a kilo of weed in your trunk and you grabbed the camera and deleted the photo would a cop have reasonable concern to obtain permission (by asking or warrent) to search your vehicle? (the answer is: Yes)
If this was just reporters/villagers saying that the military did this, then yes, I would agree that my comment would be one of "guilt til proven innocent". But the military literally confiscated equipment and destroyed evidence. If the photos did not show what the reporters claim, then the military shot themselves in the foot by destroying the photos. So one has to question why would they destroy such photos - the reasonable answer is that the photos were incriminating. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
jusdeadphunky
Forum Elder
Joined: 05 Dec 2006
Posts: 2222
|
| Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 6:45 pm Post subject: |
|
|
|
| fellfire wrote: | | jusdeadphunky wrote: | | fellfire wrote: | | [But it was done and by doing this (confiscating/deleting photos) the militaries have practically admitted the events occured as the reporters describe. |
this sort of sounds like the reasoning of if you get pulled over and deny the cop permission to search your car, then you must be hiding something. |
But keep in mind, that if the cop has a reasonable concern, he can hold you until a warrent can be obtained to search your car. If a citizen photographed you putting a kilo of weed in your trunk and you grabbed the camera and deleted the photo would a cop have reasonable concern to obtain permission (by asking or warrent) to search your vehicle? (the answer is: Yes)
If this was just reporters/villagers saying that the military did this, then yes, I would agree that my comment would be one of "guilt til proven innocent". But the military literally confiscated equipment and destroyed evidence. If the photos did not show what the reporters claim, then the military shot themselves in the foot by destroying the photos. So one has to question why would they destroy such photos - the reasonable answer is that the photos were incriminating. |
i know and agree with you 100%. i was not in any way trying to say you are wrong, all i am trying to say is that them deleting photos in and of itself should not be considered as an admission of guilt.
i was more or less thinking out loud because that comment reminded me of the cop one. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Lester
Forum Elder
Joined: 08 Dec 2006
Posts: 4650
|
| Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 8:24 am Post subject: |
|
|
|
| I would make the cop wait to get the warrant, just to stick it to him. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
jusdeadphunky
Forum Elder
Joined: 05 Dec 2006
Posts: 2222
|
| Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 8:43 am Post subject: |
|
|
|
| Lester wrote: | | I would make the cop wait to get the warrant, just to stick it to him. |
me too...i have tried twice to make nice with the cops and they still fucked me anyways. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Lester
Forum Elder
Joined: 08 Dec 2006
Posts: 4650
|
| Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 8:44 am Post subject: |
|
|
|
| jusdeadphunky wrote: | | Lester wrote: | | I would make the cop wait to get the warrant, just to stick it to him. |
me too...i have tried twice to make nice with the cops and they still fucked me anyways. |
I just think it's funny. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
jusdeadphunky
Forum Elder
Joined: 05 Dec 2006
Posts: 2222
|
| Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 8:57 pm Post subject: |
|
|
|
| Lester wrote: | | jusdeadphunky wrote: | | Lester wrote: | | I would make the cop wait to get the warrant, just to stick it to him. |
me too...i have tried twice to make nice with the cops and they still fucked me anyways. |
I just think it's funny. |
waiting to get a warrant? her if you pull that they lock you until they get one and on the weekends that is no joke. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Lester
Forum Elder
Joined: 08 Dec 2006
Posts: 4650
|
| Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 6:02 am Post subject: |
|
|
|
| jusdeadphunky wrote: | | Lester wrote: | | jusdeadphunky wrote: | | Lester wrote: | | I would make the cop wait to get the warrant, just to stick it to him. |
me too...i have tried twice to make nice with the cops and they still fucked me anyways. |
I just think it's funny. |
waiting to get a warrant? her if you pull that they lock you until they get one and on the weekends that is no joke. |
Lock you?? |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
jusdeadphunky
Forum Elder
Joined: 05 Dec 2006
Posts: 2222
|
| Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 6:48 am Post subject: |
|
|
|
| Lester wrote: | | jusdeadphunky wrote: | | Lester wrote: | | jusdeadphunky wrote: | | Lester wrote: | | I would make the cop wait to get the warrant, just to stick it to him. |
me too...i have tried twice to make nice with the cops and they still fucked me anyways. |
I just think it's funny. |
waiting to get a warrant? her if you pull that they lock you until they get one and on the weekends that is no joke. |
Lock you?? |
lock you up |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Lester
Forum Elder
Joined: 08 Dec 2006
Posts: 4650
|
| Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 10:27 am Post subject: |
|
|
|
| Don't they need a warrant to lock you up also? |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
little lai
Known Associate
Joined: 29 Apr 2007
Posts: 161
Location: lodi, CA
|
| Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 1:10 pm Post subject: |
|
|
|
| Lester wrote: | | Don't they need a warrant to lock you up also? |
i can take this one:
no |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
