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Xerxes
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Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 6:13 am Post subject:

We could stand some trimming of the fat, ourselves, right about now.

exton
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Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 6:17 am Post subject:

I don't think that it's overly bloated; i think that it's incompetant.

I don't really have an issue with spending a metric assload of money on the government budget, providing it be spent on the right things.

Xerxes
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Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 6:31 am Post subject:

exton wrote:

We can get rid of Dept Homeland Sec. they don't do shit! Talk about a bloated useless beauracracy. We put the Politburo to shame now in our bloatedness. I can think of several more too. If you are going to run it, you have to run it like a lean-mean business. That means trimming off some of the fat.

exton
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Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 9:06 pm Post subject:

Xerxes wrote:

If you are going to run it, you have to run it like a lean-mean business.

That doesn't mean much, in that there's no sensible absolute measure of good size. The right size depends oni the job that needs to be done.

Xerxes
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Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 10:05 pm Post subject:

Quote:

Xerxes wrote:

If you are going to run it, you have to run it like a lean-mean business.

exton wrote:

That doesn't mean much, in that there's no sensible absolute measure of good size. The right size depends on the job that needs to be done.

We have had enough experience in governing now. We can pretty much gauge what workforce is required to run the Gov. The key is to keep that number as low as possible and still make it prepared for the tasks of governing. That would naturally increase with population growth. That does not mean that the increase in Departments is justified, only the number of actual employees.

exton
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Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 1:00 am Post subject:

Xerxes wrote:

That does not mean that the increase in Departments is justified, only the number of actual employees.

As times change, so do and will the challenged that civilization faces.

A single, constant set of departments won't work through time. The structure of the government will have to change as time goes on.

Xerxes
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Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 11:03 pm Post subject:

exton wrote:

Xerxes wrote:

That does not mean that the increase in Departments is justified, only the number of actual employees.

Give me an example. What national emergency could possibly arise that could not be covered by one of the existing beauracracies already in place.

exton
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Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 2:25 am Post subject:

Don't you mean "give me an example of a national emergency that could not be covered by one of the bureaucracies that existed at the turn of the century/begining of the nation/etc" ?

After all, your complaint is that bureaucracies keep growing in size and number, and that's what has been happening up until this point. The relevent contrast would be if, at some time in the past, they stopped growing and increasing in number.

Moreover, "emergencies" are not the reason that we have bureaucracies. The government entities that we have are for continuous management of various goings-on in society.

As far as emergencies go, FEMA was pretty good until dubya neutered it. It was, and is, a good idea in principle.

Lester
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Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 10:20 am Post subject:

Make it smarter, not smaller.

Turk
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Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 11:24 pm Post subject:

Lester wrote:

Says no to big government

How is this classic liberal?

Big Government is embraced by progressives socialists, facists, and all authoritarian governments.
Limited Government is when individual rights are at their best and govenment corruption is limited.
Limit Power limit corruption

chevydriver1123
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Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 11:31 pm Post subject:

Paul and Richardson in 08

exton
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Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 11:42 pm Post subject:

Turk wrote:

Limit Power limit corruption

That's like saying "hey, i know how we can stop fires from happening: let's get rid of all the oxygen in the atmosphere!"

Of course limiting power limits corruption, because corruptible people, and those who would corrupt them, are drawn to power.

Reducing overall power does not, in and of itself, solve the problem. It just avoids it.

Lester
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Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 8:09 am Post subject:

Fuck yea!! exton!! Down with oxygen!!

fellfire
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Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 3:27 pm Post subject:

Lester wrote:

Fuck yea!! exton!! Down with oxygen!!

I heard dere is too much of that oxyee-gen stuff goin' round. I tell you what, dat stuff is rotten da brains of todays yutes. Get rid of it, I say! and all dem commie, pinko, faggy liberals that use it!