  |
Anym
Forum Elder
Joined: 07 Dec 2006
Posts: 2562
Location: Jersey
|
 Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 10:05 pm Post subject: |
 |
|
|
| shankarsingam wrote: | | Anym wrote: | | Sean Hannity is good friends with white power man Hal Turner is Sean a racist? |
Holy shit. I fuggin knew it. |
Yes most of have for some time the best part is that Hal calls Sean a friend and that he shares his view but will not elaborate on which views him and Sean share. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
chevydriver1123
Veteran
Joined: 17 Dec 2006
Posts: 980
Location: New York
|
| Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 10:12 pm Post subject: |
|
|
|
| Anym wrote: | | shankarsingam wrote: | | Anym wrote: | | Sean Hannity is good friends with white power man Hal Turner is Sean a racist? |
Holy shit. I fuggin knew it. |
Yes most of have for some time the best part is that Hal calls Sean a friend and that he shares his view but will not elaborate on which views him and Sean share. |
Hannity only cut his ties with Turner when Turner became too much of a liability to Hannity's growing popularity. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
capitalist
Known Associate
Joined: 16 Mar 2008
Posts: 293
|
| Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 10:48 pm Post subject: |
|
|
|
| shankarsingam wrote: |
No your church just says "dont trust homosexuals!" and "dont trust Muslims!"
Right, completely different.
Capitalist, have you ever been called or been discriminated against in your life? |
"MY CHURCH" ????
Why do you assume I am religious? When I have ever posted anything with religious content?
How about you stop making completely unsupported generalizations and stop apologizing for the racist shit that Obama's church spews by equating it to what "my" nonexistant church says. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
shankarsingam
Forum Elder
Joined: 09 Mar 2007
Posts: 1145
|
| Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 11:02 pm Post subject: |
|
|
|
| capitalist wrote: | | shankarsingam wrote: |
No your church just says "dont trust homosexuals!" and "dont trust Muslims!"
Right, completely different.
Capitalist, have you ever been called or been discriminated against in your life? |
"MY CHURCH" ????
Why do you assume I am religious? When I have ever posted anything with religious content?
How about you stop making completely unsupported generalizations and stop apologizing for the racist shit that Obama's church spews by equating it to what "my" nonexistant church says. |
Scroll back tough guy. You are the one that wrote "if my pastor was preaching racist veiws i would leave my church"
And why dont you answer my question.
Have you ever been called or been discriminated against in your life? |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
capitalist
Known Associate
Joined: 16 Mar 2008
Posts: 293
|
| Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 11:28 pm Post subject: |
|
|
|
| shankarsingam wrote: |
Scroll back tough guy. You are the one that wrote "if my pastor was preaching racist veiws i would leave my church"
And why dont you answer my question.
Have you ever been called or been discriminated against in your life? |
I made a hypothetical statement and that gives you the right to assume that "my" church is anti-gay and anti-muslim? I'm not religious in any way, fyi, and you are IGNORANT for assuming I am.
Have I ever been discriminated against? Certainly. Luckily, it has not affected me as harshly as many others, but yes I have been.
Why do you ask? What point are you trying to make? Hopefully you don't think that because some racism has happened, that Jeremiah Wright's racism is acceptable.
All racism is bad. Whether it is a less qualified black student getting into college over a better qualified white student because of "affirmative action" or a taxi driver not picking up somebody soley because of their race. There is no form of racism that is okay, regardless of who is being discriminated against.
Free market capitalism provides a great incentive NOT to be racist. If an employer hire a less-qualified white person over a more-qualified black person, that employer will bear the cost of the difference in value of the two people. If a taxi driver refuses to pick up black people, he will be penalized by losing whatever money he misses out on. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Toxic
Forum Elder
Joined: 25 Dec 2007
Posts: 1560
|
| Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 6:00 am Post subject: |
|
|
|
Huckabee actually expresses perfectly what I'm talking about:
| Quote: | | And one other thing I think we’ve gotta remember. As easy as it is for those of us who are white, to look back and say “That’s a terrible statement!”…I grew up in a very segregated south. And I think that you have to cut some slack — and I’m gonna be probably the only Conservative in America who’s gonna say something like this, but I’m just tellin’ you — we’ve gotta cut some slack to people who grew up being called names, being told “you have to sit in the balcony when you go to the movie. You have to go to the back door to go into the restaurant. And you can’t sit out there with everyone else. There’s a separate waiting room in the doctor’s office. Here’s where you sit on the bus…” And you know what? Sometimes people do have a chip on their shoulder and resentment. And you have to just say, I probably would too. I probably would too. In fact, I may have had more of a chip on my shoulder had it been me. |
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
fellfire
Forum Elder
Joined: 13 Apr 2007
Posts: 2021
Location: Washington DC
|
| Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 1:12 pm Post subject: |
|
|
|
I understand what Huckabee is expressing, but I reject it. I don't believe you "have to cut someone some slack" for being racist. Capitalist put it very well:
| capitalist wrote: | | All racism is bad. Whether it is a less qualified black student getting into college over a better qualified white student because of "affirmative action" or a taxi driver not picking up somebody soley because of their race. There is no form of racism that is okay, regardless of who is being discriminated against. |
African-Americans have struggled and fought hard for equality in this country. Is that struggled over? No. America still has to deal with racism. Does that mean that African-Americans have a right to be racist? No. Ignoring that racism occurs against all "races" in America is foolish.
Does that mean that we need to legislate against racist thoughts and feelings? of course not! the government is not the thought-police and, IMO, freedom of expression allows someone in this country to spew hate from every orafice of their body ... as equally as it allows me the right to protest them and shout them down. I don't have to quietly accept that they are bigoted and racist just because their ancestors or themselves have been discriminated against. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
joeyjock
Forum Elder
Joined: 24 Dec 2006
Posts: 2113
Location: Fort Lauderdale
|
| Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 2:37 pm Post subject: |
|
|
|
YOU might not be religious Capitalist but the Politicians ARE
well actually they have to be to play this game
and for them to hide behind a religious SECT ... which is what they are
is shameful
Obama is no better or no worse than any of them in this regard
ALL RELIGIONS ...ALL OF THEM are discriminatory
and for you or anyone to say that this Reverend or that one is any worse is complete BS |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Anym
Forum Elder
Joined: 07 Dec 2006
Posts: 2562
Location: Jersey
|
| Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 4:58 pm Post subject: |
|
|
|
| Toxic wrote: | Huckabee actually expresses perfectly what I'm talking about:
| Quote: | | And one other thing I think we’ve gotta remember. As easy as it is for those of us who are white, to look back and say “That’s a terrible statement!”…I grew up in a very segregated south. And I think that you have to cut some slack — and I’m gonna be probably the only Conservative in America who’s gonna say something like this, but I’m just tellin’ you — we’ve gotta cut some slack to people who grew up being called names, being told “you have to sit in the balcony when you go to the movie. You have to go to the back door to go into the restaurant. And you can’t sit out there with everyone else. There’s a separate waiting room in the doctor’s office. Here’s where you sit on the bus…” And you know what? Sometimes people do have a chip on their shoulder and resentment. And you have to just say, I probably would too. I probably would too. In fact, I may have had more of a chip on my shoulder had it been me. |
|
Why does this guy make me like him.
But none the less.
I really don't find this as an excuse to pardon what racist remakes he made.
And I would really like those remarks posted because I've seen and read it but I really didn't find anything racist.
I do however find Huckabee's word an excuse to an extent for some of Wright's anti-american comments.
It is understandable if this country treats you like shit you know fire hose blasting, dog biting shit then I can see why (not to make light out of what has happened ) one would hold a grudge.
| capitalist wrote: | | All racism is bad. Whether it is a less qualified black student getting into college over a better qualified white student because of "affirmative action" or a taxi driver not picking up somebody soley because of their race. There is no form of racism that is okay, regardless of who is being discriminated against. |
| fellfire wrote: |
African-Americans have struggled and fought hard for equality in this country. Is that struggled over? No. America still has to deal with racism. Does that mean that African-Americans have a right to be racist? No. Ignoring that racism occurs against all "races" in America is foolish.
Does that mean that we need to legislate against racist thoughts and feelings? of course not! the government is not the thought-police and, IMO, freedom of expression allows someone in this country to spew hate from every orafice of their body ... as equally as it allows me the right to protest them and shout them down. I don't have to quietly accept that they are bigoted and racist just because their ancestors or themselves have been discriminated against. |
I also agree with these statements. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Patriot66
Not a Newbie
Joined: 10 Mar 2008
Posts: 115
|
| Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 5:31 pm Post subject: |
|
|
|
| fellfire wrote: | I understand what Huckabee is expressing, but I reject it. I don't believe you "have to cut someone some slack" for being racist.
African-Americans have struggled and fought hard for equality in this country. Is that struggled over? No. America still has to deal with racism. Does that mean that African-Americans have a right to be racist? No. Ignoring that racism occurs against all "races" in America is foolish.
Does that mean that we need to legislate against racist thoughts and feelings? of course not! the government is not the thought-police and, IMO, freedom of expression allows someone in this country to spew hate from every orafice of their body ... as equally as it allows me the right to protest them and shout them down. I don't have to quietly accept that they are bigoted and racist just because their ancestors or themselves have been discriminated against. |
I dont agree with you very often but this was spot on and well written. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
shankarsingam
Forum Elder
Joined: 09 Mar 2007
Posts: 1145
|
| Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 6:05 pm Post subject: |
|
|
|
| capitalist wrote: | | shankarsingam wrote: |
Scroll back tough guy. You are the one that wrote "if my pastor was preaching racist veiws i would leave my church"
And why dont you answer my question.
Have you ever been called or been discriminated against in your life? |
I made a hypothetical statement and that gives you the right to assume that "my" church is anti-gay and anti-muslim? I'm not religious in any way, fyi, and you are IGNORANT for assuming I am.
Have I ever been discriminated against? Certainly. Luckily, it has not affected me as harshly as many others, but yes I have been.
Why do you ask? What point are you trying to make? Hopefully you don't think that because some racism has happened, that Jeremiah Wright's racism is acceptable.
All racism is bad. Whether it is a less qualified black student getting into college over a better qualified white student because of "affirmative action" or a taxi driver not picking up somebody soley because of their race. There is no form of racism that is okay, regardless of who is being discriminated against.
Free market capitalism provides a great incentive NOT to be racist. If an employer hire a less-qualified white person over a more-qualified black person, that employer will bear the cost of the difference in value of the two people. If a taxi driver refuses to pick up black people, he will be penalized by losing whatever money he misses out on. |
You were discriminated against? What happened,you got skipped ahead in line at Starbucks?
The reason i ask, is not to excuse Wright, but perhaps live in his shoes for a bit and see why and how he would make comments that you deem racist.
Ive heard this man speak of his life growing up in the south and its pretty fuggin sad.
Everything from his education to athleticism to jobs.
Its pretty unbeleivable how racist this country was just 50 years ago, 30 years ago.
Do you think there is no racism in the workplace today? You live in a dream land. Racism and discrimination in the workplace today is unbeleivably high.
Do you need sources? Cuz i will post so many it will make your head spin. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
fellfire
Forum Elder
Joined: 13 Apr 2007
Posts: 2021
Location: Washington DC
|
| Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 6:27 pm Post subject: |
|
|
|
| Patriot66 wrote: | | fellfire wrote: | I understand what Huckabee is expressing, but I reject it. I don't believe you "have to cut someone some slack" for being racist.
African-Americans have struggled and fought hard for equality in this country. Is that struggled over? No. America still has to deal with racism. Does that mean that African-Americans have a right to be racist? No. Ignoring that racism occurs against all "races" in America is foolish.
Does that mean that we need to legislate against racist thoughts and feelings? of course not! the government is not the thought-police and, IMO, freedom of expression allows someone in this country to spew hate from every orafice of their body ... as equally as it allows me the right to protest them and shout them down. I don't have to quietly accept that they are bigoted and racist just because their ancestors or themselves have been discriminated against. |
I dont agree with you very often but this was spot on and well written. |
That's the problem with JLVs little forum here, sometimes you find you agree with people.  |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
fellfire
Forum Elder
Joined: 13 Apr 2007
Posts: 2021
Location: Washington DC
|
| Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 6:30 pm Post subject: |
|
|
|
| shankarsingam wrote: |
The reason i ask, is not to excuse Wright, but perhaps live in his shoes for a bit and see why and how he would make comments that you deem racist.
|
I gotta ask, shank, because of the way you phrased this comment: do you consider Wright's statements to be racist? |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
shankarsingam
Forum Elder
Joined: 09 Mar 2007
Posts: 1145
|
| Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 7:17 pm Post subject: |
|
|
|
| fellfire wrote: | | shankarsingam wrote: |
The reason i ask, is not to excuse Wright, but perhaps live in his shoes for a bit and see why and how he would make comments that you deem racist.
|
I gotta ask, shank, because of the way you phrased this comment: do you consider Wright's statements to be racist? |
Racism to me means beleiving in a separation of races stemming from an ethnocentric value system. If Wright had stated at anytime that whites and blacks need to be separated then yes, i would consider him a racist.
But stating that whites brought HIV to the black community, is just plain conspriracist.
And the God damn america statement is an opinion.
So no, i dont beleive Wright is racist.
Just afro-centric. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
fellfire
Forum Elder
Joined: 13 Apr 2007
Posts: 2021
Location: Washington DC
|
| Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 9:15 pm Post subject: |
|
|
|
| shankarsingam wrote: | | fellfire wrote: | | shankarsingam wrote: |
The reason i ask, is not to excuse Wright, but perhaps live in his shoes for a bit and see why and how he would make comments that you deem racist.
|
I gotta ask, shank, because of the way you phrased this comment: do you consider Wright's statements to be racist? |
Racism to me means beleiving in a separation of races stemming from an ethnocentric value system. If Wright had stated at anytime that whites and blacks need to be separated then yes, i would consider him a racist.
But stating that whites brought HIV to the black community, is just plain conspriracist.
And the God damn america statement is an opinion.
So no, i dont beleive Wright is racist.
Just afro-centric. |
Alright, I think we have a difference of definition between us. I consider someone who readily generalizes a characteristic to an entire segment of population based solely on their skin color to be a racist.
When my dad says, off the cuff "Blacks are not as smart as whites", I call him a racist. When Imus nonchalantly called that girls basketball team "nappy headed whores", I consider that a sign of him being a racist. When Wright states that "whites brought HIV to the black community", I think that demostrates he is a racist. In these cases, you would consider these people as ethnocentric? |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2002 phpBB Group
|
|
|
|
