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cornopean, you aren't going to be able to engage these folks in an intelligent conversation about this particular hypothesis. The disdain for religion runs too deep, and peoples' God-phobia is so strong that they are to afraid to acknowledge the possibility that our existence is the result of an intelligence far in excess of our own.
It is still my contention that you can go as far back in time as the Earth goes, you will still not find evidence of a single ancestor, or of any missing link, because we are all the same kind of creature now than we were millennia ago. That's not to say that adaptation has not taken place, it has, but no creature has ever evolved into a completely different creature, is my assertion.
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Anym
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| Anym wrote: | | cornopean wrote: |
creationism is the belief that God somehow and sometime created the world.
ID is the belief that this world was the product of intelligence.
Yes the two theories might relate to each other but there is a clear difference. ID says nothing about God. |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligent_design
Intelligent design is the claim that "certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause, not an undirected process such as natural selection."[1][2][3] It is a modern form of the traditional teleological argument for the existence of God, modified to avoid specifying the nature or identity of the designer.[4][5][6] Its primary proponents, all of whom are associated with the Discovery Institute,[7][8][9][10][11][12][13] believe the designer to be the Abrahamic God.[14] Intelligent design's advocates claim it is a scientific theory,[15] and seek a fundamental redefinition of science, no longer limited to natural explanations, but accepting supernatural explanations as well.[16][17][18][19][20]
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CustomFordGirl
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| Anym wrote: | | cornopean wrote: |
creationism is the belief that God somehow and sometime created the world.
ID is the belief that this world was the product of intelligence.
Yes the two theories might relate to each other but there is a clear difference. ID says nothing about God. |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligent_design
Intelligent design is the claim that "certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause, not an undirected process such as natural selection."[1][2][3] It is a modern form of the traditional teleological argument for the existence of God, modified to avoid specifying the nature or identity of the designer.[4][5][6] Its primary proponents, all of whom are associated with the Discovery Institute,[7][8][9][10][11][12][13] believe the designer to be the Abrahamic God.[14] Intelligent design's advocates claim it is a scientific theory,[15] and seek a fundamental redefinition of science, no longer limited to natural explanations, but accepting supernatural explanations as well.[16][17][18][19][20]
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More like Anym pwned. You just proved my point beautifully. Thank you. |
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Anym
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Your an idiot. simple. as. that.
Corno's pattern of recognition was blasted out of the water by Cryxic.
What I point out was that this unintelligent design bullshit was created by a bunch of theological whack jobs trying to subvert science in order to get a form of creationism taught in public school.
You Santa Claus theory is wrought with one distinct problem the nonexistence of Santa.
Your contention is accurate it wasn't a day that there was monkeys and then humans popped up from them.
Here's a chart for you.
http://www.cartage.org.lb/en/t.....lution.htm |
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CryxicKiller
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| CustomFordGirl wrote: | cornopean, you aren't going to be able to engage these folks in an intelligent conversation about this particular hypothesis. The disdain for religion runs too deep, and peoples' God-phobia is so strong that they are to afraid to acknowledge the possibility that our existence is the result of an intelligence far in excess of our own.
It is still my contention that you can go as far back in time as the Earth goes, you will still not find evidence of a single ancestor, or of any missing link, because we are all the same kind of creature now than we were millennia ago. That's not to say that adaptation has not taken place, it has, but no creature has ever evolved into a completely different creature, is my assertion.
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Biology has a rigorous taxonomy to avoid confusing itself with your mumbo jumbo. I don't know what a "different creature" is, but different species do result from evolutionary processes (that's called speciation). Prove you wrong....umm ok....modern whales evolved from land mammals that are no longer around, and we know that because of the fossil evidence. There. You're wrong.
Why are your "contentions" relevant exactly? Do you base them on anything other than pre-conceived notions of the world? At least some of us use logic and actual evidence when we make our claims. Calling cornopean's ideas a "hypothesis" is like demeaning the term. Creationism, in its practices and its ideology, is inherently unscientific. |
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Anym
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| CryxicKiller wrote: | | Creationism, in its practices and its ideology, is inherently unscientific. |
I love you. |
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JesusLopezViejo
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| looking at the poll and reality...i'd have to say the subject is entirely incorrect... |
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Lester
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| Anym wrote: | | CryxicKiller wrote: | | Creationism, in its practices and its ideology, is inherently unscientific. |
I love you. |
Who doesn't? |
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| CryxicKiller wrote: | | Creationism, in its practices and its ideology, is inherently unscientific. |
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joeyjock
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this is for corno and customford... this has NOTING to do with God hatred as you so eloquently put it
That's the point ..... he or she is entirely irrelevant to the process we're talking about
and no matter how much you believe or want it to be otherwise makes no difference at all
facts are facts when it comes to scientific endeavors |
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CustomFordGirl
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So why did YOU guys (once again) bring God into a seemingly scientific conversation?
The question here is: is it possible that some intelligent being (aliens, perhaps) terraformed a hostile planet (like Mars and Venus, our brother and sister planets) into one that can support life, and put plants and animals on it - and then choose to remain anonymous for the purposes of watching?
....kind of like a galactic ant farm.
Do you think it's possible that we're a galactic ant farm for some alien kid?
Again, don't try to bring this conversation back to God, because that aspect is pointless to discuss. |
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CryxicKiller
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We bring up god because so-called "intelligent designers" also bring up god. I've thoroughly explained this to cornopoean as well: "intelligent designers" themselves by and large think the designer is the Biblical, Abrahamic god. We're not trying to be annoying; give us some credit at least. You bring up aliens as if it's an intellectual exercise, but no one in that camp actually thinks that aliens created all of this. Literally....no one or almost no one.
Even if we skirt around that, however, "intelligent design" is still not scientific because, among other things, it does not have a proposed test to detect the effects of the intelligence that it says is there. |
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| CustomFordGirl wrote: | So why did YOU guys (once again) bring God into a seemingly scientific conversation?
The question here is: is it possible that some intelligent being (aliens, perhaps) terraformed a hostile planet (like Mars and Venus, our brother and sister planets) into one that can support life, and put plants and animals on it - and then choose to remain anonymous for the purposes of watching?
....kind of like a galactic ant farm.
Do you think it's possible that we're a galactic ant farm for some alien kid?
Again, don't try to bring this conversation back to God, because that aspect is pointless to discuss. |
It's POSSIBLE that the fairy Titania came down from a woodland hill and created a man in a loin cloth and a woaman in a beaded gown but we'd have to have some kind of evidence to prove it
...just as with your giant ant farm
... just as with Jehova or Shiva or the great Wiccan King
there IS no intelligent design anything .... until there is some sort of evidence to prove it |
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Anym
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All I have to say to CFG's alien comment is that it is already a religion
It's called Scientology. |
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| Anym wrote: | All I have to say to CFG's alien comment is that it is already a religion
It's called Scientology. |
Their souls man, their all around us, the race, it died a horrible death, they were so bright, they were a spark amoung the night, can you pay in cash? |
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