exton
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| Lester wrote: | | It's utopian, how is it not the best solution? |
Here's where we meet with the disconnect between what we'd like to be true, and reality.
Would the system proposed by communism work?
Yes.
Would it result in a utopia?
No, it wouldn't. |
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Lester
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| Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 11:07 am Post subject: |
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| Whyever not? |
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exton
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| Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 12:13 am Post subject: |
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There are a number of reasons.
The easiest one i can think of is this:
Your idea of a utopia is different from the next guy's. |
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Lester
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| Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 11:40 am Post subject: |
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| "A state at which everything is as perfect as it could possibly be." |
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exton
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| Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 4:17 am Post subject: |
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Yes, that's the definition of utopia.
That's not the *idea* of what a utopia actually consists of.
Or, put another way: "perfect" is a subjective notion. |
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Lester
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| Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 8:55 am Post subject: |
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| Perfect is merely without flaws. |
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exton
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....which, again, is subjective. And unrealistic - you cannot get rid of flaws entirely.
Example: Some men like fat chicks. Many others do not.
A flaw to one person can be a pleasure to another. |
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cornopean
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| Quote: | | What do you mean by "self-caused"? |
the poverty is brot on as a result of some decision they themselves made. the #1 cause of poverty is single parenthood. |
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cornopean
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| Quote: | | A society where the economy is governed by the simple rule, "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need." |
what incentive is there to produce and innovate in this kind of an economy? |
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exton
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| Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 3:36 am Post subject: |
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| cornopean wrote: | | Quote: | | What do you mean by "self-caused"? |
the poverty is brot on as a result of some decision they themselves made. |
Probably.
Such reasoning is often used to deny people help. You don't think that way, do you?
| Quote: | | the #1 cause of poverty is single parenthood. |
How so? I mean, single parenthood is more common amongst the urban poor (as far as i know), but where are you getting the causality from? |
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Lester
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| cornopean wrote: | | Quote: | | A society where the economy is governed by the simple rule, "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need." |
what incentive is there to produce and innovate in this kind of an economy? |
The same there is in any society.
As for you exton, while some men may get aroused by extremely large women, it's not healthy for someone to be that size, and so the most perfect situation would be for her to be chubby, but not obese, everyones happy. |
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exton
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| Lester wrote: |
As for you exton, while some men may get aroused by extremely large women, it's not healthy for someone to be that size, and so the most perfect situation would be for her to be chubby, but not obese, everyones happy. |
That's a compromise. Compromises are notable for not being perfect. They're the exact opposite - they always involve concessions. |
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Lester
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| Not at all, a chubby fetish does not mean that your attraction to someone is directly proportional to their weight. |
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exton
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Like i said: it's a compromise. Obesity fetish is not the same as chubby fetish.
And you're missing the point, one that should be totally obvious: perfect isn't the same for everyone. |
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Lester
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| So some people will have dissapointments, that doesn't mean it can't still be perfect, after all, if you never feel sadness how do you know your happy? |
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