exton
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no...i deny that the poor are getting poorer. |
Their incomes are rising more slowly than inflation. That's called "getting poorer".
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do you think that the rich getting rich causes the poor to get poorer? |
Yes and no. The rich getting richer doesn't necessarily entail the poor getting poorer. But some ways of getting rich lead to that sort of thing more so than others.
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so is this something the govt is going to try to impose on poor lazy people or are they going to have to take the initiative and do the hard work of getting an education? |
Do you really believe the "poor people are lazy" stereotype? |
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Lester
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| Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 9:48 am Post subject: |
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| cornopean wrote: | | Lester wrote: | | cornopean wrote: | | exton wrote: |
I don't disagree with that either. It so happens that that is what is happening. It doesn't HAVE to be happening that way, though. Rich getting richer doesn't always mean poor getting poorer. |
I deny that this is happening. but let's assume it is happening.......what do you propose to do about it? |
I propose communism. |
couple of questions:
1. are you serious?
2. has communism ever worked anywhere? |
1. Yes, definitely.
2. It's never even existed anywhere. |
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cornopean
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| Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 3:14 am Post subject: |
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| exton wrote: | | cornopean wrote: |
no...i deny that the poor are getting poorer. |
Their incomes are rising more slowly than inflation. That's called "getting poorer". |
but it's not happening.
http://gregmankiw.blogspot.com.....rowth.html
http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/.....-usec.html
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do you think that the rich getting rich causes the poor to get poorer? |
Yes and no. The rich getting richer doesn't necessarily entail the poor getting poorer. But some ways of getting rich lead to that sort of thing more so than others. |
the only way the the rich getting richer causes the poor to get poorer is if the rich steal from the poor. I don't think that is happening in the US in any significant way.
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so is this something the govt is going to try to impose on poor lazy people or are they going to have to take the initiative and do the hard work of getting an education? |
Do you really believe the "poor people are lazy" stereotype? |
I believe that the vast majority of poverty in this nation is self-caused. the poverty cycle is exacerbated by govt welfare; the welfare trap. |
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cornopean
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| Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 3:17 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Quote: | | Quote: | | I propose communism. |
a couple of questions:
1. are you serious?
2. has communism ever worked anywhere? |
1. Yes, definitely.
2. It's never even existed anywhere. |
how do you define communism?
what do you call what Lenin and Stalin were doing in Russia? or Pol Pot in Cambodia?
and what do you think of the Index of Economic Freedom?
http://www.heritage.org/research/features/index/ |
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exton
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| Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 4:16 am Post subject: |
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| Lester wrote: |
2. It's never even existed anywhere. |
That's bullshit.
There were some towns in israel that tried it. |
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exton
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| Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 4:20 am Post subject: |
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Oh sure, the *average* wage has been rising faster than inflation.
But do the people on the bottom of the scale make the average wage?
No. The average counts everyone - the people not getting rich, and the people getting rich.
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the only way the the rich getting richer causes the poor to get poorer is if the rich steal from the poor. I don't think that is happening in the US in any significant way. |
I suppose it depends on what you mean by "steal".
You don't have to unlawfully take people's money to take money away from them; you just have to get them to give you it willingly.
And, of course, that's a product of stupidity and a lack of education. But that's why i propose educating people.
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Do you really believe the "poor people are lazy" stereotype? |
I believe that the vast majority of poverty in this nation is self-caused. the poverty cycle is exacerbated by govt welfare; the welfare trap.[/quote]
What do you mean by "self-caused"? |
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Lester
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| Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 6:42 am Post subject: |
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| cornopean wrote: | | Quote: | | Quote: | | Quote: | | I propose communism. |
a couple of questions:
1. are you serious?
2. has communism ever worked anywhere? |
1. Yes, definitely.
2. It's never even existed anywhere. |
how do you define communism?
what do you call what Lenin and Stalin were doing in Russia? or Pol Pot in Cambodia?
and what do you think of the Index of Economic Freedom?
http://www.heritage.org/research/features/index/ |
A society where the economy is governed by the simple rule, "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need."
Exton- There have been communes, but not a communist country. |
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exton
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| Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 7:47 am Post subject: |
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| Lester wrote: |
Exton- There have been communes, but not a communist country. |
What's your point? |
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Lester
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| Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 8:44 am Post subject: |
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| The communes that practice truw communism have worked, so why not a country? |
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exton
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| Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 8:48 am Post subject: |
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| Lester wrote: | | The communes that practice truw communism have worked, so why not a country? |
Because the economy of a town is not scaleable to a nation. |
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Lester
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| Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 1:24 pm Post subject: |
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| But we don't know that because it's never been tested!! |
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exton
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| Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 10:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Yes, we do know that. It's pretty straight forward. The flow of resources and labor inside a single town is not analagous to the flow of resources and labor in a large, technologically advanced nation-stated. |
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Lester
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| Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 3:07 am Post subject: |
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| Yet since we have never adjusted it accordingly we don't know that communism is impossible for a country. |
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exton
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| Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 4:48 am Post subject: |
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| Lester wrote: | | Yet since we have never adjusted it accordingly we don't know that communism is impossible for a country. |
I'm not saying communism is impossible. I'm saying that the rules that apply to towns don't apply to nations.
I'm sure communism can work.
But it's not the best solution. |
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Lester
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| Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 5:57 am Post subject: |
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| It's utopian, how is it not the best solution? |
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