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| jusdeadphunky wrote: |
how do you think that the ideas that these companies have both manufactured diseases and supressed the cures come from? |
Paranoid delusionals of the sort that believe that big pharm is in a conspiracy to cover up cures.
Manufacturing diseases is still the stuff of science fiction. There's no chance that HIV is man-made. |
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exton
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| Lester wrote: | | 1. Like I think I said before, check out the movie and book 'the constant gardener' it was based on a true story, it's pretty horrific what they do. |
No, the movie is based on a novel, and the novel is fictional.
Like i said; you'll only see that sort of thing in fiction. It almost never happens in real life, because in real life, gigantic conspiracies are rarely effective or possible.
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2. You don't have to be evil to not say anything, just apathetic. |
It takes quite a bit of effort to keep your mouth shut about that sort of thing. I mean, really, what greater conversatin starter is there than "oh hey guess what? I cured AIDS today." It's bound to come up; apathy alone isn't going to stop someone from mentioning it to someone else.
Furthermore, a person who spends his life trying to cure disease isn't going to be apathetic when he succeeds.
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3. They're goals however, match each others. |
Only to a very limited degree.
Otherwise, they'd be a hive, not an organization of individuals. |
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1. The novel is based on actual events, and no, we're not talking about giant conspiracies, just itty bitty ones.
2. Just knowing he did it could be enough for him.
3. The smaller the amount of people that know, the closer their views can be matched. |
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| Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 6:05 am Post subject: |
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| Lester wrote: | | 1. The novel is based on actual events, and no, we're not talking about giant conspiracies, just itty bitty ones. |
Show me these actual events.
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2. Just knowing he did it could be enough for him.
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Or he'd be a real person and talk with other people. You can posit hypotheticals all you want, but that doesn't make it any more realistic.
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3. The smaller the amount of people that know, the closer their views can be matched. |
Mhmm.... |
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At the end of the book the author writes;
"By comparison with the reality, my story [is] as tame as a holiday postcard"
Wikipedia says;
"Some have suggested that the movie missed an opportunity to be more critical of the pharmaceutical industry and how some of its practices impact Africa. Sonia Shah, writing for The Nation,[1], called the film a "flawed indictment of Big Pharma's complicity in African illness and poverty" and said the movie is unrealistic. Ty Burr of the Boston Globe said the movie diminishes "the real urgency of the West's humanitarian disconnect from Africa. If it sends audiences home to log on to the Amnesty International website, terrific -- but that still doesn't make it a very good movie."[2], Michael Atkinson of the Village Voice criticized the movie for concentrating on smaller details of the pharmaceutical industry's effect on Africa instead of "for the ratio of its monstrous revenues to the paltry medical support it provides to third-world countries.."[3]"
All I'm saying is that there are people who would do things like that, sadly, they do exist. |
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| Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 7:38 am Post subject: |
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| Screwing over poor people in third world countries is quite a different matter from suppressing a cure for HIV; it's pretty easy to screw over poor people in third world countries just in the course of doing buisness. It takes a deliberate and significant amount of malice to hide a cure. |
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| exton wrote: | | jusdeadphunky wrote: |
how do you think that the ideas that these companies have both manufactured diseases and supressed the cures come from? |
Paranoid delusionals of the sort that believe that big pharm is in a conspiracy to cover up cures.
Manufacturing diseases is still the stuff of science fiction. There's no chance that HIV is man-made. |
okay...sorry. you have it all figured out. you have looked into all angles and possibilities of this objectively. the government is good and has your best interests in mind first and foremost. the first priority of corporations is to help you. the pharmaceutical companies exist to help people and not to make money. chemtrails are fake. morgellons disease does not exist. governments do not have psychological, chemical and biological warfare programs. the u.s. is not posioning iraq and its own soldiers with depleted uranium. etc., etc., etc.
go ahead and try to prove any of this wrong. i dare you, because you can't. |
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exton
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| Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 8:31 am Post subject: |
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| jusdeadphunky wrote: | | exton wrote: |
Manufacturing diseases is still the stuff of science fiction. There's no chance that HIV is man-made. |
okay...sorry. you have it all figured out. you have looked into all angles and possibilities of this objectively. |
I'm just stating a fact. At the time that the medical community first became aware of HIV, the technology to create such a thing did not exist. It probably still doesn't. |
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| Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 8:33 am Post subject: |
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| jusdeadphunky wrote: | | chemtrails are fake. morgellons disease does not exist. |
That's actually true. |
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exton
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| Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 8:37 am Post subject: |
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| jusdeadphunky wrote: | | the government is good and has your best interests in mind first and foremost. the first priority of corporations is to help you. the pharmaceutical companies exist to help people and not to make money. |
Where did i say any of those things?
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I can't really tell you much about a country's alternative weapons programs. They don't let me in on such things.
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the u.s. is not posioning iraq and its own soldiers with depleted uranium. |
Not on purpose, no.
What, you think they use depleted uranium because it's a health hazard?
No, they use it because it's extremely hard and dense. It makes a good projectile, and it's cheaper than the alternatives. The fact that it's radioactive and can give you heavy metal poisoning is incidental. |
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Lester
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| Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 12:25 pm Post subject: |
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| exton wrote: | | Screwing over poor people in third world countries is quite a different matter from suppressing a cure for HIV; it's pretty easy to screw over poor people in third world countries just in the course of doing buisness. It takes a deliberate and significant amount of malice to hide a cure. |
If you can screw people in third world countries over as much as big pharmecutical companies have, I have no doubt they would hide a cure, it's all about profit margin, and I understand that, I see where they would be coming from, it's the typical capitalist thinking, all I am saying is that is the thinking that leads to things *like* cures being suppressed. |
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jusdeadphunky
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| exton wrote: | | jusdeadphunky wrote: | | exton wrote: |
Manufacturing diseases is still the stuff of science fiction. There's no chance that HIV is man-made. |
okay...sorry. you have it all figured out. you have looked into all angles and possibilities of this objectively. |
I'm just stating a fact. At the time that the medical community first became aware of HIV, the technology to create such a thing did not exist. It probably still doesn't. |
are you fucking kidding me? the technology did not exist? are you being serious? |
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jusdeadphunky
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| exton wrote: | | jusdeadphunky wrote: | | chemtrails are fake. morgellons disease does not exist. |
That's actually true. |
oh really? prove me wrong. |
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jusdeadphunky
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1. | exton wrote: | | jusdeadphunky wrote: | | the government is good and has your best interests in mind first and foremost. the first priority of corporations is to help you. the pharmaceutical companies exist to help people and not to make money. |
Where did i say any of those things?
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I can't really tell you much about a country's alternative weapons programs. They don't let me in on such things.
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the u.s. is not posioning iraq and its own soldiers with depleted uranium. |
Not on purpose, no.
What, you think they use depleted uranium because it's a health hazard?
No, they use it because it's extremely hard and dense. It makes a good projectile, and it's cheaper than the alternatives. The fact that it's radioactive and can give you heavy metal poisoning is incidental. |
1. the optomism you express leads me to believe you think that way.
2. once again what you have written in this forum, leads me to believe that you ignore the fact that governments have these types of programs which manufacture things that kill people, including diseases.
3. you obviously do not know too much about depleted uranium.
take a look at this:
http://stinet.dtic.mil/cgi-bin.....tTRDoc.pdf
they knew how dangerous it was before it was first used in mass quantities in the first gulf war. fact; it is the cause of gulf war syndrome. |
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exton
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| Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 2:50 am Post subject: |
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| jusdeadphunky wrote: | | exton wrote: |
I'm just stating a fact. At the time that the medical community first became aware of HIV, the technology to create such a thing did not exist. It probably still doesn't. |
are you fucking kidding me? the technology did not exist? are you being serious? |
I'm quite serious.
Do you know what is actually involved in doing such things? |
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