Lester
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JohnMcClane
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| jusdeadphunky wrote: | | you got it, because the bible says so... |
Guess what? My "holy book" says your dumb. 
Bob 3:15-17 "And jusdeadphunky is dumb, and any thoughts he speakth should be considered asinine and incoherent."
Well, how do I know it's true you ask?!
Bubba 2:12-15 "Any word on here said pages is the inspired word of Elvis Presley, your savior and only source to salvation. To go against this would lead to the destruction of your soul."
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jusdeadphunky
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| JohnMcClane wrote: | | jusdeadphunky wrote: | | you got it, because the bible says so... |
Guess what? My "holy book" says your dumb.
Bob 3:15-17 "And jusdeadphunky is dumb, and any thoughts he speakth should be considered asinine and incoherent."
Well, how do I know it's true you ask?!
Bubba 2:12-15 "Any word on here said pages is the inspired word of Elvis Presley, your savior and only source to salvation. To go against this would lead to the destruction of your soul."
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well i got one from the holy book that i wrote that says you are dumb.
jusdeadphunky 5: 17-19
"and those who can not recognize the forces of sarcasm and satire shall be considered to be be deficient in critical reasoning skills and abstract thought processes" |
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wiiman1331
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| Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 2:03 pm Post subject: creationism |
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ok first of all
we don't know when adam and eve were created and how long they were in the gareden of edan until they ate the fruit
it could have been millions of years 
so really all the dinos could have died by the time they ate the friut |
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exton
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| Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 9:08 pm Post subject: Re: creationism |
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| wiiman1331 wrote: |
so really all the dinos could have died by the time they ate the friut |
I was under the impression that death did not exist before they ate the fruit. |
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SWYTO
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| I agree with the above... but God didnt create night and day first.. so who is to say also that a bunch of lots of years didnt pass then too! |
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SWYTO
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the wiiman one!
and they did exist... just they didnt know right from wrong until they ate the fruit |
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Xerxes
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| jusdeadphunky wrote: | | exton wrote: | | Your evangelical christian-fu is weak. You need practice. |
you need to accept jesus as your master and the good ted haggard as his messenger. |
LoL...I'll get the meth, some bibles and some anal lube! |
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jusdeadphunky
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| SWYTO wrote: | the wiiman one!
and they did exist... just they didnt know right from wrong until they ate the fruit |
wtf are you talking about? seriously please clue me in... |
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jusdeadphunky
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| Xerxes wrote: | | jusdeadphunky wrote: | | exton wrote: | | Your evangelical christian-fu is weak. You need practice. |
you need to accept jesus as your master and the good ted haggard as his messenger. |
LoL...I'll get the meth, some bibles and some anal lube! |
hahaha
by all means go for it...be saved in jesus name lord! |
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Lester
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| Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 6:41 am Post subject: |
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| Welcome wiiman and SWYTO. |
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Freddie
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Ok so let’s look at how some of these "age tests" are done. Mostly they use carbon 14 testing. Do a little research on it and you'll find that carbon 14 testing is useless. It's not accurate at all and takes a lot of assumption.
So man makes up machines that we have no real way of verifying and we step back and say "yes ok the world was created when a snot bubble burst out of the nose of a giant turtle".
The bible has stood the test of time, it has been the most scrutinized book every printed. Every atheist on the planet from hacks to scholars have done there best to disprove the existence of God and the creation of the world by his hand. In the end they take it on their own misguided faith because it's all they have.
We were created to be faith vessels we each choose what where that faith goes. To believe the world was created from a big explosion takes just as much faith as it does to believe that God our Father in heaven created the earth and the heavens in six days and rested on the seventh.
But some want facts and figures to fall back on so how about I show you a few.
Isaiah 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:
This was written some 500 years before the birth of Christ. Magellan and Columbus wouldn't make there voyages for another 2000 years but here the prophet and another 460 (estimate) or so years before we could see the earth as imagines came from space for the first time yet Isaiah speaks of the "circle of the earth".
This is just one passage I can give you more. But the fact still remains that you are going to have (if not now then someday most likely soon) have to confront yourself. If you don't believe in God and you don't believe that He came manifested in flesh to die in your place and be raised again that you might have life. If you don't believe Jesus Christ died for your sin and you don't accept that sacrifice then you had better be right.
You better know that without one ounce of doubt other wise when you lay in bed at night and you wonder if the last breath you take before falling asleep could be your last memory, you may not be able to rest.
This is coming from a man who had all but denied Christ himself. I didn't get indoctrinated by some church or by some person of influence in my life. I simply met Jesus Christ as He spoke to me through the Holy Spirit and from that day on I was changed.
I figure this post will end up cut but if any of you want to know anything more about what I've written then please feel free to pm me. |
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JesusLopezViejo
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| Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 5:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Freddie wrote: | Ok so let’s look at how some of these "age tests" are done. Mostly they use carbon 14 testing. Do a little research on it and you'll find that carbon 14 testing is useless. It's not accurate at all and takes a lot of assumption.
So man makes up machines that we have no real way of verifying and we step back and say "yes ok the world was created when a snot bubble burst out of the nose of a giant turtle".
The bible has stood the test of time, it has been the most scrutinized book every printed. Every atheist on the planet from hacks to scholars have done there best to disprove the existence of God and the creation of the world by his hand. In the end they take it on their own misguided faith because it's all they have.
We were created to be faith vessels we each choose what where that faith goes. To believe the world was created from a big explosion takes just as much faith as it does to believe that God our Father in heaven created the earth and the heavens in six days and rested on the seventh.
But some want facts and figures to fall back on so how about I show you a few.
Isaiah 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:
This was written some 500 years before the birth of Christ. Magellan and Columbus wouldn't make there voyages for another 2000 years but here the prophet and another 460 (estimate) or so years before we could see the earth as imagines came from space for the first time yet Isaiah speaks of the "circle of the earth".
This is just one passage I can give you more. But the fact still remains that you are going to have (if not now then someday most likely soon) have to confront yourself. If you don't believe in God and you don't believe that He came manifested in flesh to die in your place and be raised again that you might have life. If you don't believe Jesus Christ died for your sin and you don't accept that sacrifice then you had better be right.
You better know that without one ounce of doubt other wise when you lay in bed at night and you wonder if the last breath you take before falling asleep could be your last memory, you may not be able to rest.
This is coming from a man who had all but denied Christ himself. I didn't get indoctrinated by some church or by some person of influence in my life. I simply met Jesus Christ as He spoke to me through the Holy Spirit and from that day on I was changed.
I figure this post will end up cut but if any of you want to know anything more about what I've written then please feel free to pm me. |
Do you have any proof besides the bible?
The burden of proof shouldn't come from someone who knows god doesn't exist...it should come from the person trying to say it does.
You talk about faith...The definition of faith alone means not having proof..
"Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence."
So, basically I can tell you that I'm santa clause and that you should have faith JUST BECAUSE I SAY SO. So therefore I am santa claus.
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Freddie
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The definition of faith is the substance of things hoped for and the evidence of things unseen.
Your aurgument is that one has to just believe without evidence however i.e. you say your santa clause and one is to just take it as truth.
The fact of the matter is the bible has been tested and has been proven accurate. There are many books within the bible that are historical and each one has stood the test of time. In fact many modern day scientist have been looking to the bible to find evidence of lost civilizations and land marks.
But we don't just take the first evidence in any case do we but we by two or three witnesses prove things. The bible give us something and we can see it proven out by the events that follow and by the witness in each of us as we listen to the voice of God.
There are other historical books that also back up the bible written by secular historians around the time of Christ. One such person was Flavorous Josephus, he wasn't a believer but he did speak of Christ and what was done to him. This is not even encluded in the cannon of scripture.
The evidence of things unseen are everywhere if you have an open heart to it. If you've hardened your heart then you won't recognize it when it's there.
I don't just believe with my mind(soul realm) or my emotions and desires (fleshly realm) but I know in my spirit. These three bare witness.
I don't just have the word of God through the bible I also have the application of his word in my life and of the physical evidence of it's truth. These three bare witness.
Jesus Came came as descriped in the prophecy of the scriptures, He performed the perfect work He was given to do and He rose the third day leaving an empty grave. These three bare witness.
People get so upset when the bible or Jesus are mentioned, I understand in a way because I was that person who used to get upset. There has been so many bad examples of Christianity in this world who can blame them.
You know the biggest reason for it? People hate being held accountable for how they live. A person can reason that if they aren't ultimately accountable to anyone than who can say what they do is right or wrong. At the source of that statement is the truth behind liberality. Liberality says "I should be able to do as I please" many will throw the little "as long as it doesn't hurt anyone" at the end (like it really makes a difference). The truth is though what they really mean is what we Christians are always accused of and that is forcing our beliefs on others.
Liberals seem to care about every little thing in the world but when it comes to Christians they have no tollerence. Why? This is way. Christ said the world hated Him because He told the world that it's ways are evil, look around you people it's fact and you can have more than three witnesses to that every day of your life. So I stand and say homosexuality is against God's plan and the Liberals have no tollerence and call me a biggot but they can stand up say that its just fine to abort countless lives each year for the sake of not having to be accountable for our actions.
You want more witnesses check out the documents that were written by which our country was based on. Look at our judicial system. Look at our laws for crime and punishment. You'll see what I'm talking about.
There is no real evidence to the big bang theory and that is why it is a theory and not a law. There is however plenty of proof that the bible is accurate and the bible tells me that God created the earth and heavens.
Going on the thought process of burden of proof creation wins hands down. |
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exton
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| Freddie wrote: | | Ok so let’s look at how some of these "age tests" are done. Mostly they use carbon 14 testing. Do a little research on it and you'll find that carbon 14 testing is useless. It's not accurate at all and takes a lot of assumption. |
Before bitching about it, you ought to learn about it. Carbon 14 dating is not used to establish the age of the earth, nor is it used to establish the age of ancient fossils.
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So man makes up machines that we have no real way of verifying and we step back and say "yes ok the world was created when a snot bubble burst out of the nose of a giant turtle". |
what do you know about nuclear physics?
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But some want facts and figures to fall back on so how about I show you a few.
Isaiah 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:
This was written some 500 years before the birth of Christ. Magellan and Columbus wouldn't make there voyages for another 2000 years but here the prophet and another 460 (estimate) or so years before we could see the earth as imagines came from space for the first time yet Isaiah speaks of the "circle of the earth". |
First of all, circles are flat.
It is spheres that are three dimensional.
Second, it doesn't take modern science to figure out that the earth is spherical. The ancient greeks knew as much, and anyone can figure it out by watching a lunar eclipse - the shadow of the earth on the moon is round!
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