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emceeMC
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Hey all, heard about this through myspace and thought I'd join 
My name's Matt, I'm 16 and a sophomore in high school. I'm generally conservative. I'm pro-life, skeptical of global warming and evolution, oppose a timetable for troop withdrawal, and am anti-gun control and welfare. Although I am pro-gay marriage (perhaps in part because I'm bisexual, but I like to think if I was straight I wouldn't be narrow, in another reality  )
Looking forward to some good debates |
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JesusLopezViejo
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| Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 6:21 am Post subject: Re: Greetings |
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| emceeMC wrote: | Hey all, heard about this through myspace and thought I'd join
My name's Matt, I'm 16 and a sophomore in high school. I'm generally conservative. I'm pro-life, skeptical of global warming and evolution, oppose a timetable for troop withdrawal, and am anti-gun control and welfare. Although I am pro-gay marriage (perhaps in part because I'm bisexual, but I like to think if I was straight I wouldn't be narrow, in another reality )
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Welcome!
Very interesting.
I agree with you on anti-gun control...I mean, we should have some sort of control, but not be on total lock down.
I am also pro-gay marriage.
As a bisexual, how does it make you feel that the party in which you lean more towards, is disgusted by your human nature? |
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emceeMC
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Thanks for the welcome, you guys
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As a bisexual, how does it make you feel that the party in which you lean more towards, is disgusted by your human nature? |
The Republican Party is made up of tens of millions of people, so to make the blanket statement that they are all "disgusted" by my nature is a sweeping, mischaractarizing statement, especially considering two leading republican nominee candidates oppose a Federal Marriage Amendment.
The republican party was born from the abolitionist movement, under the belief that all men were possessed of a God-given dignity, rooted in their religious convictions. This is how religion and republicanism became intertwined, in my opinion. So, unfortunately, hostility to homosexuality and bisexuality has been present in many republicans. Homophobia, however, is rooted in religious fanaticism, not political beliefs, so I can be a republican and I bisexual as well. LGBT republicans have made great strides recently, with groups such as the Log Cabin republicans and the friendly attitudes and people like McCain and Giuliani.
So thats how it makes me feel. |
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| Giuliani sure has no problems with it, I saw him with donald trump... |
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| Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 11:54 pm Post subject: Re: Greetings |
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| emceeMC wrote: | Hey all, heard about this through myspace and thought I'd join
My name's Matt, I'm 16 and a sophomore in high school. I'm generally conservative. I'm pro-life, skeptical of global warming and evolution, oppose a timetable for troop withdrawal, and am anti-gun control and welfare. Although I am pro-gay marriage (perhaps in part because I'm bisexual, but I like to think if I was straight I wouldn't be narrow, in another reality )
Looking forward to some good debates |
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Anym
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| emceeMC wrote: | Thanks for the welcome, you guys
Hello.
The Republican Party is made up of tens of millions of people, so to make the blanket statement that they are all "disgusted" by my nature is a sweeping, mischaractarizing statement, especially considering two leading republican nominee candidates oppose a Federal Marriage Amendment.
Yes but the BASE of the REPUBLICAN organization are radical Christians who oppose homosexuality vehemently.
The republican party was born from the abolitionist movement, under the belief that all men were possessed of a God-given dignity, rooted in their religious convictions. This is how religion and republicanism became intertwined, in my opinion.
In all actuality it happened in the 60s-70s as a counter to the hippies and increasing amount of liberalism being accepted into society. The Christians got a party of their own and the pubs finally had a foothold in American society that they had not since they lost African Americans.
So, unfortunately, hostility to homosexuality and bisexuality has been present in many republicans. Homophobia, however, is rooted in religious fanaticism, not political beliefs, so I can be a republican and I bisexual as well. LGBT republicans have made great strides recently, with groups such as the Log Cabin republicans and the friendly attitudes and people like McCain and Giuliani.
See earlier comment about your parties base and the fact that they control the GOP primaries.
So thats how it makes me feel. |
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emceeMC
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| Quote: | | Yes but the BASE of the REPUBLICAN organization are radical Christians who oppose homosexuality vehemently. |
Did you know that the democrats were the party that supported slavery during the civil war? Just because a party at one time supports something that is wrong doesn't mean that the party cant evolve.
| Quote: | | In all actuality it happened in the 60s-70s as a counter to the hippies and increasing amount of liberalism being accepted into society. |
The republican party was around for about 80 years before that time period. Please research civil war politics and come talk to me. |
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| emceeMC wrote: | | Quote: | | Yes but the BASE of the REPUBLICAN organization are radical Christians who oppose homosexuality vehemently. |
Did you know that the democrats were the party that supported slavery during the civil war? Just because a party at one time supports something that is wrong doesn't mean that the party cant evolve.
| Quote: | | In all actuality it happened in the 60s-70s as a counter to the hippies and increasing amount of liberalism being accepted into society. |
The republican party was around for about 80 years before that time period. Please research civil war politics and come talk to me. |
now you two know it's not as clear cut as democrat or republican.
heck i want libertarian/republican/my favorite political outcast ron paul and democrat obama on a ticket for 08'. my dream president and vice president. or vice versa. |
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Anym
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| emceeMC wrote: | | Quote: | | Yes but the BASE of the REPUBLICAN organization are radical Christians who oppose homosexuality vehemently. |
Did you know that the democrats were the party that supported slavery during the civil war? Just because a party at one time supports something that is wrong doesn't mean that the party cant evolve.
Yes deary but if you have been paying attention to the rest of the post and the news and reality it's that you party has and hasn't evolved. In the last 50 years you party went from more power to the congres than the pres to the opposite, from staying out of peoples lives, to legislating it, and from running gov, like a business to running it like a crackhouse. You party's main voting base in the general and primary elections is a group of right wing religious bigots who hate certain groups of people and gays happen to be one of those groups.
| Quote: | | In all actuality it happened in the 60s-70s as a counter to the hippies and increasing amount of liberalism being accepted into society. |
The republican party was around for about 80 years before that time period. Please research civil war politics and come talk to me. |
Did you miss the part of your part loosing the african american vote, the just uuhhhhhhh you just not paying attention any more are you. And you party probably hated gays then to. |
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emceeMC
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| Quote: | | Yes deary but if you have been paying attention to the rest of the post and the news and reality it's that you party has and hasn't evolved. In the last 50 years you party went from more power to the congres than the pres to the opposite, from staying out of peoples lives, to legislating it, and from running gov, like a business to running it like a crackhouse. You party's main voting base in the general and primary elections is a group of right wing religious bigots who hate certain groups of people and gays happen to be one of those groups. |
| Quote: | | Did you miss the part of your part loosing the african american vote, the just uuhhhhhhh you just not paying attention any more are you. And you party probably hated gays then to. |
Are you a native English speaker? I always hate having to stop and decipher what should be English.
It was your statement that the republican party formed during the 60-70's. Wrong. You then contradict yourself by saying that it existed before that. Stupid. You than say that conservativism had not had a foothold in America for some time. Wrong again. Happen to catch the 1950's?
And if you had been paying attention to trends in the last fifty years, you would see that public acceptance of homosexuality has been steadily on the rise in recent years. The numbers still aren't great (somewhere around the mid-fifties, percentage wise, who are accepting of homosexuality), but that is remarkable considering where they were 50 years ago.
And if you had been "paying attention" to my posts you would have realized that I admitted to the republicans' opposition to homosexuality in the civil war era, due to it's combination with the religious component of the abolitionist movement. No group of people is perfect. And the republican party is changing, so much so that the two leading GOP candidates oppose a federal marriage amendment. No one is perfect. If democrats had had their way, blacks would still be slaves right now.
But thelast is right, its not about political parties. So stop lambasting mine. |
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Anym
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Are you a native English speaker? I always hate having to stop and decipher what should be English.
Really because this is coming from the guy who can't spell conservatism.See below.
It was your statement that the republican party formed during the 60-70's. Wrong. You then contradict yourself by saying that it existed before that. Stupid. You than say that conservativism had not had a foothold in America for some time. Wrong again. Happen to catch the 1950's?
Once Again If you were paying attention
The republican party was born from the abolitionist movement, under the belief that all men were possessed of a God-given dignity, rooted in their religious convictions. This is how religion and republicanism became intertwined, in my opinion.
In all actuality it happened in the 60s-70s as a counter to the hippies and increasing amount of liberalism being accepted into society. The Christians got a party of their own and the pubs finally had a foothold in American society that they had not since they lost African Americans.
And as for the 1950s Congratulations on the fear mongering and racism in order to win an election.
And if you had been "paying attention" to my posts you would have realized that I admitted to the republicans' opposition to homosexuality in the civil war era, due to it's combination with the religious component of the abolitionist movement.
You don't admit anything you just say the republican party war religious.
No group of people is perfect. And the republican party is changing,
Not as fast as the democrats or the rest of the country
so much so that the two leading GOP candidates oppose a federal marriage amendment. No one is perfect. If democrats had had their way, blacks would still be slaves right now.
This coming from the party that rides in a plane named after Strom Thurmond(I hope I don't have to give you his history) and about race did you miss the 60's and 70's
But thelast is right, its not about political parties. So stop lambasting mine. |
Largely it is because people political parties get elected and they make the laws and they say whether or not homosexuality is moral.
But I'm not going to stop lambasting the pubs till they stop lambasting me. |
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emceeMC
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| Quote: | | Really because this is coming from the guy who can't spell conservatism.See below. |
Comparing a spelling error to severe grammatical errors? See your original post.
Me: "The republican party was born from the abolitionist movement..."
You:
| Quote: | | In all actuality it happened in the 60s-70s as a counter to the hippies and increasing amount of liberalism being accepted into society. |
How can you say that the Republican party formed in the 60's when it first came about in the civil war era? This is simply a fact.
| Quote: | | You don't admit anything you just say the republican party war religious. |
Perhaps you mean "was" religious?
This is from one of my firsts posts...
"The republican party was born from the abolitionist movement, under the belief that all men were possessed of a God-given dignity, rooted in their religious convictions. This is how religion and republicanism became intertwined, in my opinion. So, unfortunately, hostility to homosexuality and bisexuality has been present in many republicans."
So, in actuality, I do admit republicans have been hostile to gays. Maybe you should read more carefully.
| Quote: | | This coming from the party that rides in a plane named after Strom Thurmond(I hope I don't have to give you his history) and about race did you miss the 60's and 70's |
You don't have to give me his history. I know full well that Strom was a segregationist... as a democrat. Curiously, when he abandoned his segregationist views, he switched to being a republican who endorsed racial integration much earlier than other southern politicians. |
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Anym
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| emceeMC wrote: | | Quote: | | Really because this is coming from the guy who can't spell conservatism.See below. |
Comparing a spelling error to severe grammatical errors? See your original post.
My first post says Yo.
You: The republican party was born from the abolitionist movement, .....This is how religion and republicanism became intertwined,
Me:
| Quote: | | In all actuality it happened in the 60s-70s as a counter to the hippies and increasing amount of liberalism being accepted into society. |
How can you say that the Republican party formed in the 60's when it first came about in the civil war era? This is simply a fact.
Show me were I said the Republican party formed in the 60's
| Quote: | | You don't admit anything you just say the republican party war religious. |
Perhaps you mean "was" religious?
typo....
This is from one of my firsts posts...
"The republican party was born from the abolitionist movement, under the belief that all men were possessed of a God-given dignity, rooted in their religious convictions. This is how religion and republicanism became intertwined, in my opinion. So, unfortunately, hostility to homosexuality and bisexuality has been present in many republicans."
So, in actuality, I do admit republicans have been hostile to gays. Maybe you should read more carefully.
Sorry looking at your prior post not your second post
| Quote: | | This coming from the party that rides in a plane named after Strom Thurmond(I hope I don't have to give you his history) and about race did you miss the 60's and 70's |
You don't have to give me his history. I know full well that Strom was a segregationist... as a democrat. Curiously, when he abandoned his segregationist views, he switched to being a republican who endorsed racial integration much earlier than other southern politicians. |
The Washington Post reported that a Thurmond staffer advised him to abandon his segregationist views after one of his proteges, Congressman Albert Watson, was badly defeated in a race for governor of South Carolina. |
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