Oolon Colluphid
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Jan. 4: President Bush says the government has the legal right to read Americans' mail without a warrant.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16472777/ |
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exton
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| Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 3:07 am Post subject: |
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Bush says a lot of things.
Hopefully congress will start calling him on it. |
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Lester
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Wiretaps, opening mail, warrantless search and seizure, death of habeus corpus.
Fuck. Orwell anyone? |
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MissLisa
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| Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 12:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Lester wrote: | Wiretaps, opening mail, warrantless search and seizure, death of habeus corpus.
Fuck. Orwell anyone? |
My question would be... how on earth did he get to have absolute power? Once upon a time, wasn't there a process where we the people choose what we wanted implemented for our "protection"... or at least had the illusion of choice. Now there isn't even the comforting illusion. |
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Lester
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ROFL, we've lost the right to the illusion of disillusionment.
Thats funny yet somehow incredibly sad... |
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qwertyact
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| The rights of citizens have been limited during every major war since the Civil War. Why should this one be any different? Many people don't know that during World War One, President Wilson passed the Sedition and Espionage Acts, which made it it ILLEGAL to speak out against the war effort in Europe, and subjected millions of German, Austrian, and Turkish Ameicans to unfair treatment, suspicion and surveillance. During World War Two, Millions of Japanese and Germans we're put in concentration camps in the SW deserts. This war (which is rapidly becoming World War Three) is just as important as any other War in our history. The point is that each time, the rights of Americans have been "taken away" (for lack of better words), but each time they were restored once the war was over. |
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exton
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| Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 3:12 am Post subject: |
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| qwertyact wrote: | | The rights of citizens have been limited during every major war since the Civil War. Why should this one be any different? |
Yeah! Since it was done in the past, that means that it's okay to do it in the future too!
And which war are we in now, that requires such things? |
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Lester
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| Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 4:45 am Post subject: |
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| The one on terror, or perhaps the one on drugs, hmmmm. |
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exton
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| Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 6:21 am Post subject: |
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| Lester wrote: | | The one on terror, or perhaps the one on drugs, hmmmm. |
I like how we can wage wars on subcultures and intangible ideas. |
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Lester
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| I think the next war should be on schadenfreude, you know, that pleasure you get seeing other people suffer, definately should be a war on that. |
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Nesta13Maldini
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| Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 9:59 am Post subject: |
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| If there should be any war at all it should be against the government.... todo anarchist xD |
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qwertyact
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I meant the war in iraq that should have, and probably still will expand into the rest of arabia and Iran (as bush wanted it to). I've always thought that the war in iraq was to provoke a larger war against the rest of arabia, it wouldnt have been pretty but it woulda gotten the job done
The fact that it was done in the past shows that it works, not that its ok.
lol @ war on drugs
the next war should be on dial up internet. |
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jusdeadphunky
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| Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 8:17 pm Post subject: Re: Government now can open our mail |
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yea he is going to read the "terrorists" mail. if you have nothing to hide than what does it matter? what bush should do is chip everyone so that he can read everyone's minds and then we could really be safe from terror. |
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7th Avenue Rebel
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| Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 10:04 pm Post subject: |
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| qwertyact wrote: | | The rights of citizens have been limited during every major war since the Civil War. Why should this one be any different? Many people don't know that during World War One, President Wilson passed the Sedition and Espionage Acts, which made it it ILLEGAL to speak out against the war effort in Europe, and subjected millions of German, Austrian, and Turkish Ameicans to unfair treatment, suspicion and surveillance. During World War Two, Millions of Japanese and Germans we're put in concentration camps in the SW deserts. This war (which is rapidly becoming World War Three) is just as important as any other War in our history. The point is that each time, the rights of Americans have been "taken away" (for lack of better words), but each time they were restored once the war was over. |
this war is going to last a very long time though, and even bush himself has said it will be a 100 year war, so that means for 100 years we are going to have our rights taken away, sounds like nazi germeny to me, execpt 900 years short |
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mike920
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| Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 11:40 pm Post subject: |
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| qwertyact wrote: | | The rights of citizens have been limited during every major war since the Civil War. Why should this one be any different? Many people don't know that during World War One, President Wilson passed the Sedition and Espionage Acts, which made it it ILLEGAL to speak out against the war effort in Europe, and subjected millions of German, Austrian, and Turkish Ameicans to unfair treatment, suspicion and surveillance. During World War Two, Millions of Japanese and Germans we're put in concentration camps in the SW deserts. This war (which is rapidly becoming World War Three) is just as important as any other War in our history. The point is that each time, the rights of Americans have been "taken away" (for lack of better words), but each time they were restored once the war was over. |
this war does not affect
A-N-Y-O-N-E in the United States. (Besides Soldiers)
this is not a real war.
its a war on oil so this
crap that he can search our mail is just that:
CRAP.
Its called CHECKS AND BALANCES, and DEMOCRACY. He has NO right to do this. He will forever go down as the worlds worst ruler of the US. |
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