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exton
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| jusdeadphunky wrote: |
yes but isn't it apparent to you that news sources push an agenda? just because it was not covered here by faux or CNN, does not mean that the story is untrue. |
It appears to me that they push the same agenda as all other companies: they try to make money.
I don't think there's anything trully sinister going on. |
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jusdeadphunky
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| exton wrote: | | jusdeadphunky wrote: |
yes but isn't it apparent to you that news sources push an agenda? just because it was not covered here by faux or CNN, does not mean that the story is untrue. |
It appears to me that they push the same agenda as all other companies: they try to make money.
I don't think there's anything trully sinister going on. |
there is definately something sinister about an administration that pays reporters to plant false stories to further push their agenda. there is something sinister about the government of israel who after committing atrocities in lebanon in 1982, decided that instead of not committing brutal atrocities, they needed a better PR team. |
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| And why do you think they do that? |
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| jusdeadphunky wrote: | | similar to how the editors of the new york times are threatened with jail and called traitors every time they expose illegal doings of the bush administration. |
If anyone else posted this, I'd ask them to offer evidence that this has happened even once. Since it's you, I'll just assume it's not true.  |
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| They were explicitly called traitors for revealing bush's wiretapping program. |
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| exton wrote: | | They were explicitly called traitors for revealing bush's wiretapping program. |
And I will Second that. And what's up with Armstrong Lewis or the male prostitute posing as someone in the W/H press corps... |
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| TrespassersW wrote: | | jusdeadphunky wrote: | | similar to how the editors of the new york times are threatened with jail and called traitors every time they expose illegal doings of the bush administration. |
If anyone else posted this, I'd ask them to offer evidence that this has happened even once. Since it's you, I'll just assume it's not true. |
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http://www.opinioneditorials.c.....51230.html
December 30, 2005
New York Times Accused of Toying with Treason
Jim Kouri, CPP
From our chutzpah file comes this story: today's New York Times reports that defense lawyers in some of the country's biggest terrorism cases say they plan to bring legal challenges to determine whether the National Security Agency used illegal wiretaps against several dozen Muslim men tied to Al Qaeda.
In an article written by James Risen, who wrote the original NSA spy article, the lawyers said in interviews that they wanted to learn whether the men were monitored by the agency and, if so, whether the government withheld critical information or misled judges and defense lawyers about how and why the men were singled out. So Risen's article may actually help known terrorists -- including the one who planned to blowup the Brooklyn Bridge -- avoid prosecution. He should be proud.
It's been a long time coming, but finally someone from the mainstream news media had the wherewithal to use the words "New York Times" and "treason" in the same sentence. Although I thought the New York Post -- part of Ruppert Murdock's News Corp conglomerate -- didn't go far enough and may have hedged their accusations a bit, the editorial writers were bold in their assertions. After the Times articles on top secret counterterrorism operations -- the NSA and FBI operations -- there remained little doubt that reporters at the Gray Lady had an agenda.
Here's the opening of their December 27 editorial titled, "Gray Lady Toys with Treason":
"Has The New York Times declared itself to be on the front line in the war against the War on Terror? The self-styled paper of record seems to be trying to reclaim the loyalty of those radical lefties who ludicrously accused it of uncritically reporting on Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction.
"Yet the paper has done more than merely try to embarrass the Bush administration these last few months.
"It has published classified information -- and thereby knowingly blown the covers of secret programs and agencies engaged in combating the terrorist threat."
While the New York Post stopped short of calling the New York Times' actions treasonous, I for one won't. I believe that the Times should be investigated, prosecuted and suffer the consequences of their actions in a time of war. Whether they believe we are fighting a war or not, isn't the point. The point is they committed an act far worse than those accused leakers in the Valerie Plame investigation; an investigation that the NY Times championed. How many times during the course of the Plame investigation did the Times sanctimoniously fret over our national security? Does the word hypocrisy come to mind?
For too long, the so-called "newspaper of record" has played loose and fancy-free with the truth. Columnist and author Michelle Malkin caught them in a number of lies for which the Times editors offered tepid excuses and apologies. In her December 27 column she wrote:
"The Times crusaded tirelessly this year for the cut-and-run, troop-undermining, Bush-bashing, reality-denying cause. Let's review:
"On July 6, Army reserve officer Phillip Carter authored a freelance op-ed for the Times calling on President Bush to promote military recruitment efforts. The next day, the paper was forced to admit that one of its editors had inserted misleading language into the piece against Carter's wishes. The "correction":
"Carter told Times ombudsman Byron Calame: "Those were not words I would have said. It left the impression that I was conscripted" when, in fact, Carter volunteered for active duty."
This is only one example contained in Malkin's column.
Even more troubling is what isn't caught as untruthful in the pages of the New York Times. While many of the nation's news organizations are attempting to limit the use of "unnamed sources" or "anonymous sources," the Times will build an entire news story based on these nameless, faceless newsmakers. The Gray Lady has become the Kitty Kelly of the news business.
The problem is that most news organizations, including Fox News Channel, use the New York Times coverage as a template for what will be covered by their news people. Some editors, according the former CBS reporter and author Bernard Goldberg, will not cover a story unless it's already been covered by the New York Times. Why is so much respect lavished on this newspaper?
It's similar to the situation in academia where institutions such as Harvard and Yale are still held in the highest esteem, while the quality of their education has been in decline since the 1960s, when radical left-wing ideologues took over their campuses.
But the Times always had a left-leaning agenda. They were the primary apologists for the Soviet Union's brutal murderer and dictator Joseph Stalin. In fact, most of the left in the US were against entering World War II until Hitler attacked the USSR. Then the liberal-left began to call for action against the Nazis.
The left-wingers in politics, the media, academia and activism have turned the idea of treason on its head. Today, no one dares to voice their concerns about someone's patriotism or dare to use the term treasonous to describe the words or conduct of these America haters. They assert that they are patriots. And even conservative politicians and pundits fail to laugh in their faces when they utter such nonsense.
During a recent Fox News Channel debate between talk show host Mike Gallagher and left-wing columnist from The Nation, David Corn, something interesting occurred which went unnoticed. Usually, it's the liberal-left debater who resorts to name calling (i.e. racist, xenophobe, jingoist, etc.). After Corn's diatribe against the war and the Commander-in-Chief, Gallagher simply replied that Corn believed what he was saying because he's Un-American. For the rest of the debate all David Corn could do is protest that he indeed was not Un-American. And Gallagher laughed for the rest of the time he and Corn were on the air. A wise man once told me that most leftists are cowards, but hell hath no fury like that of a leftist uncovered.
Someday, hopefully soon, conservatives will stop pussy-footing around and call a traitor a traitor and treasonous behavor treason. Let's uncover them. Let the fury begin.
Jim Kouri, CPP is currently fifth vice-president of the National Association of Chiefs of Police. He's former chief at a New York City housing project in Washington Heights nicknamed "Crack City" by reporters covering the drug war in the 1980s. In addition, he served as director of public safety at a New Jersey university and director of security for several major organizations. He's also served on the National Drug Task Force and trained police and security officers throughout the country. He writes for many police and security magazines including Chief of Police, Police Times, The Narc Officer and others. He's a staff writer for New Media Alliance (thenma.org), and he's a columnist for TheConservativeVoice.Com, AmericanDaily.Com, MensNewsDaily.Com, MichNews.Com, and he's syndicated by AXcessNews.Com. He's appeared as on-air commentator for over 100 TV and radio news and talk shows including Oprah, McLaughlin Report, CNN Headline News, MTV, Fox News, etc. His book Assume The Position is available at Amazon.Com, Booksamillion.com, and can be ordered at local bookstores. If you wish to sign up for his intelligence reports, write to JimKouriReports@aol.com. Kouri's own website is located at http://jimkouri.us
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wfP1WaqmjU
Col. Steve Acuff former candidate for N.C. 4th congressional district
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| You do realize that the comments you've highlighted in red are not the words of anyone in the administration, right? I mean, I assume you read what you posted before you posted it... so what's your point? You've proven that some private citizen wrote an editorial. I mean, that's great, but it doesn't come close to proving what's-his-name's claims. |
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| TrespassersW wrote: | | You do realize that the comments you've highlighted in red are not the words of anyone in the administration, right? I mean, I assume you read what you posted before you posted it... so what's your point? You've proven that some private citizen wrote an editorial. I mean, that's great, but it doesn't come close to proving what's-his-name's claims. |
 is your new specificity due to the abundance of evidence?
tempted but not quite uncarful enough to get caught like Kissinger
http://www.progressive.org/mag_wx0626b06
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....00675.html
Lawmaker Wants Times Prosecuted
By Devlin Barrett
Associated Press
Monday, June 26, 2006; Page A02
The chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee urged the Bush administration yesterday to seek criminal charges against newspapers that reported on a secret financial-monitoring program used to trace terrorists.
Rep. Peter T. King (R-N.Y.) cited the New York Times in particular for publishing a report last week saying that the Treasury Department is working with the CIA to examine an international database of money-transfer records.
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http://select.nytimes.com/gst/.....20Court%20
Abroad at Home; When Truth Is Treason
June 9, 2001, Saturday
By ANTHONY LEWIS (NYT); Editorial Desk
Late Edition - Final, Section A, Page 15, Column 6, 752 words
DISPLAYING ABSTRACT - Anthony Lewis Op-Ed column on 30th anniversary of New York Times's publication of series on secret official history of Vietnam War known as Pentagon Papers; cites newly declassified conversation in which Pres Richard M Nixon's national security adviser, Henry Kissinger, called publication treason; recalls court battle that led to Supreme Court's 6-3 vote not to bar further publication of series; holds court saved United States from repressive spirit that prevails in many other nations, making case barrier to silence by official edict; holds Vietnam War undermined mainstream press's belief in superior knowledge and good faith of government officials
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| TrespassersW wrote: | | jusdeadphunky wrote: | | similar to how the editors of the new york times are threatened with jail and called traitors every time they expose illegal doings of the bush administration. |
If anyone else posted this, I'd ask them to offer evidence that this has happened even once. Since it's you, I'll just assume it's not true. |
good...
did you forget it already? |
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| thelast007 wrote: | | ...is your new specificity due to the abundance of evidence? |
No, it's due to my reading too quickly and missing his point. I thought what he had written was that they were threatened with jail by the administration. Rereading it, I see that isn't what he wrote at all. Yes, I don't doubt that some people have gotten mad at the NY Times. My bad.
I'll add another golden "Duh!" sticker to my collection. |
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| TrespassersW wrote: | | thelast007 wrote: | | ...is your new specificity due to the abundance of evidence? |
No, it's due to my reading too quickly and missing his point. I thought what he had written was that they were threatened with jail by the administration. Rereading it, I see that isn't what he wrote at all. Yes, I don't doubt that some people have gotten mad at the NY Times. My bad.
I'll add another golden "Duh!" sticker to my collection. |
why are your stickers golden? platinum is what is hot. |
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| jusdeadphunky wrote: | | why are your stickers golden? platinum is what is hot. |
I'm old school. That's just how I roll. |
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A couple of questions TrespassersW,
1. Is Nelson Mandella a "terrorist" or "freedom fighter"?
2. Is Menachim Begin a "terrorist" or a "freedom fighter"?
3 Is Ariel Sharon a "terrorist" or a "freedom fighter"? |
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| If you're asking me to define what I mean when I use the word "terrorist," then the distinction is simple: a terrorist intentionally and knowingly targets innocent civilians. Whether that person sees himself as fighting for freedom from an oppressive regime is of no consequence to me. The goals do not define the terrorist; he is defined by his actions. I don't care how understandable or even laudable your goal may be; target innocent civilians, and you're a terrorist. |
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