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| TrespassersW wrote: | | Al Jazeera, |
carries the same amount of credibility as fox both are entertainment news sources first and foremost. |
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TrespassersW
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| jusdeadphunky wrote: | | TrespassersW wrote: | | Al Jazeera, |
carries the same amount of credibility as fox... |
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| They are from International Middle East Media Center, why would you classify this source as "propaganda"? |
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jusdeadphunky
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TrespassersW
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| Raibeart wrote: | | They are from International Middle East Media Center, why would you classify this source as "propaganda"? |
Why would you assume they are a valid source, despite the absence of any mention of these events in other credible sources? |
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| TrespassersW wrote: | | Raibeart wrote: | | They are from International Middle East Media Center, why would you classify this source as "propaganda"? |
Why would you assume they are a valid source, despite the absence of any mention of these events in other credible sources? |
All exclusives are now officially false guys. |
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| He has a point. A lack of corroboration doesn't bode well for accuracy. |
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| exton wrote: | | He has a point. A lack of corroboration doesn't bode well for accuracy. |
| Quote: | About the International Middle East Media Center
IMEMC is a media center developed in collaboration between Palestinian and International journalists to provide independent English language media coverage of Israel-Palestine. IMEMC provides fair and comprehensive coverage of events and developments in Israel-Palestine.
Being a joint Palestinian-International effort, IMEMC combines Palestinian journalists\' deep understanding of the context, history, and the socio-political environment with International journalists\' skills in non-partisan reporting.
IMEMC provides comprehensive coverage of news, political developments and daily incidents combined with feature stories, political analysis, interviews and selected opinion pieces.
IMEMC provides a weekly audio summary of socio-political developments in Israel-Palestine to keep you updated. In addition IMEMC provides field reports on main issues of interest to its targeted audience. |
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Let's just take a look at a representative report from this International Middle East Media Center, and compare it to a report from another source:
| Quote: | Israeli army assassinates resistance fighter near Jenin city
Tuesday April 17, 2007 14:16 by Ghassan Bannoura - IMEMC & Agencies ghassanb at imemc dot org
An undercover Israeli army force assassinated a Palestinian resistance fighter near the northern West Bank city of Jenin on Tuesday midday.
Ashraf Hanyisha, an Aqsa Brigades fighter of Fatah, was killed when he was targeted by an undercover Israeli force while leaving Mothalth village near Jenin to travel to Jenin city. Eyewitnesses reported that the undercover force ambushed Hanayisha and managed to abduct him after stopping his car at the main road between the village and the city of Jenin. Soldiers then took him off the road and executed him near his car, eyewitnesses reported.
http://www.imemc.org/article/47859 |
Now here's a report on the same incident from another non-US source:
| Quote: | Israeli forces kill Palestinian militant
From correspondents in Middle East, 06:31 PM IST
Israeli forces Tuesday killed a member of Palestinian Fatah's military in the West Bank city of Jenin, witnesses said.
The witnesses said that a group of Israeli soldiers forced Ashraf Hanaysha, 35, to stop his car and then shot directly at his body, killing him on the spot.
The troops also arrested three people who were accompanying Hanaysha, member of the al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades of Fatah.
The incident comes hours after the brigades claimed responsibility for wounding four Israeli settlers in drive-by shooting near Ramallah city in the West Bank.
In a statement faxed to the press, the brigades said the shooting was in response to the ongoing Israeli attacks against the Palestinians.
http://www.indiaenews.com/midd...../47740.htm |
Both articles give us essentially the same facts, but look at how they present them. The India E News article uses straight language and sticks to facts; the man was "killed" and was "a member of Palestinian Fatah's military." Those are facts not open to dispute or interpretation. IMEMC's version tells us the man was a "freedom fighter" and that he was "assassinated." These are loaded terms that convey a point of view, not facts. (Note that India E News did not call him a "terrorist," the opposite of a freedom fighter; they simply disclosed his membership in Fatah's military wing. That's a fact. Calling him a "freedom fighter" takes a side, draws a conclusion.)
Note too how India E News gives us a context for the events. To read the IMEMC version, you'd assume that the Israeli's just decided to whack someone on a whim. And India E News' decision to offer context not only for the Israeli's actions, but for the Palestinian's as well, is a further indication of good, unbiased reporting.
It took me all of five minutes to find an IMEMC story that was covered elsewhere and simply compare the quality of the writing... as opposed to taking the IMEMC's own word that they are an unbiased organization. Seems clear to me that they are not a legitimate source; certainly not one I would trust when no other sources report the same events. |
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jusdeadphunky
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| exton wrote: | | He has a point. A lack of corroboration doesn't bode well for accuracy. |
yes but isn't it apparent to you that news sources push an agenda? just because it was not covered here by faux or CNN, does not mean that the story is untrue. |
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jusdeadphunky
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| TrespassersW wrote: | Let's just take a look at a representative report from this International Middle East Media Center, and compare it to a report from another source:
| Quote: | Israeli army assassinates resistance fighter near Jenin city
Tuesday April 17, 2007 14:16 by Ghassan Bannoura - IMEMC & Agencies ghassanb at imemc dot org
An undercover Israeli army force assassinated a Palestinian resistance fighter near the northern West Bank city of Jenin on Tuesday midday.
Ashraf Hanyisha, an Aqsa Brigades fighter of Fatah, was killed when he was targeted by an undercover Israeli force while leaving Mothalth village near Jenin to travel to Jenin city. Eyewitnesses reported that the undercover force ambushed Hanayisha and managed to abduct him after stopping his car at the main road between the village and the city of Jenin. Soldiers then took him off the road and executed him near his car, eyewitnesses reported.
http://www.imemc.org/article/47859 |
Now here's a report on the same incident from another non-US source:
| Quote: | Israeli forces kill Palestinian militant
From correspondents in Middle East, 06:31 PM IST
Israeli forces Tuesday killed a member of Palestinian Fatah's military in the West Bank city of Jenin, witnesses said.
The witnesses said that a group of Israeli soldiers forced Ashraf Hanaysha, 35, to stop his car and then shot directly at his body, killing him on the spot.
The troops also arrested three people who were accompanying Hanaysha, member of the al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades of Fatah.
The incident comes hours after the brigades claimed responsibility for wounding four Israeli settlers in drive-by shooting near Ramallah city in the West Bank.
In a statement faxed to the press, the brigades said the shooting was in response to the ongoing Israeli attacks against the Palestinians.
http://www.indiaenews.com/midd...../47740.htm |
Both articles give us essentially the same facts, but look at how they present them. The India E News article uses straight language and sticks to facts; the man was "killed" and was "a member of Palestinian Fatah's military." Those are facts not open to dispute or interpretation. IMEMC's version tells us the man was a "freedom fighter" and that he was "assassinated." These are loaded terms that convey a point of view, not facts. (Note that India E News did not call him a "terrorist," the opposite of a freedom fighter; they simply disclosed his membership in Fatah's military wing. That's a fact. Calling him a "freedom fighter" takes a side, draws a conclusion.)
Note too how India E News gives us a context for the events. To read the IMEMC version, you'd assume that the Israeli's just decided to whack someone on a whim. And India E News' decision to offer context not only for the Israeli's actions, but for the Palestinian's as well, is a further indication of good, unbiased reporting.
It took me all of five minutes to find an IMEMC story that was covered elsewhere and simply compare the quality of the writing... as opposed to taking the IMEMC's own word that they are an unbiased organization. Seems clear to me that they are not a legitimate source; certainly not one I would trust when no other sources report the same events. |
okay and what is your point? the u.s. media does the same exact thing... |
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| jusdeadphunky wrote: | | okay and what is your point? the u.s. media does the same exact thing... |
I was responding to a question Raibeart asked. In short, I showed--giving both citations and my own analysis--that not every news source peppers its reporting with the kind of bias IMEMC clearly chooses to use. (IMEMC is run by Palestinians and understandably sides with them in these issues. That I understand their bias does not mean I approve of it or choose to pretend it doesn't exist. I would also be skeptical of any Israeli source reporting on conflicts between Israel and Palestinians.)
It's easy for you to blithely argue that the u.s. media does the same exact thing, but were that sweeping generalization completely true it would not make the IMEMC coverage valuable to anyone seeking the truth. (And I'd ask you to offer me examples to support your claim regarding the u.s. media, but we both know where that will go.) |
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| TrespassersW wrote: | | jusdeadphunky wrote: | | okay and what is your point? the u.s. media does the same exact thing... |
I was responding to a question Raibeart asked. In short, I showed--giving both citations and my own analysis--that not every news source peppers its reporting with the kind of bias IMEMC clearly chooses to use. (IMEMC is run by Palestinians and understandably sides with them in these issues. That I understand their bias does not mean I approve of it or choose to pretend it doesn't exist. I would also be skeptical of any Israeli source reporting on conflicts between Israel and Palestinians.)
It's easy for you to blithely argue that the u.s. media does the same exact thing, but were that sweeping generalization completely true it would not make the IMEMC coverage valuable to anyone seeking the truth. (And I'd ask you to offer me examples to support your claim regarding the u.s. media, but we both know where that will go.) |
we do the same thing. you must look at both sides of the issue and not close the door on the other, because it is run by palestinians...our media is filtered by the zionists. |
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| jusdeadphunky wrote: | | TrespassersW wrote: | | jusdeadphunky wrote: | | okay and what is your point? the u.s. media does the same exact thing... |
I was responding to a question Raibeart asked. In short, I showed--giving both citations and my own analysis--that not every news source peppers its reporting with the kind of bias IMEMC clearly chooses to use. (IMEMC is run by Palestinians and understandably sides with them in these issues. That I understand their bias does not mean I approve of it or choose to pretend it doesn't exist. I would also be skeptical of any Israeli source reporting on conflicts between Israel and Palestinians.)
It's easy for you to blithely argue that the u.s. media does the same exact thing, but were that sweeping generalization completely true it would not make the IMEMC coverage valuable to anyone seeking the truth. (And I'd ask you to offer me examples to support your claim regarding the u.s. media, but we both know where that will go.) |
we do the same thing. you must look at both sides of the issue and not close the door on the other, because it is run by palestinians...our media is filtered by the zionists. |
Actually, it is rather refreshing to look at the news reports that come from papers around the world. My fav. is the Guardian. The reporters involved in the "Downing Street Memo" were threatened with jail if they released the story. And went ahead and did it anyway.
.....I wonder if they ever went to jail? |
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jusdeadphunky
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| Xerxes wrote: | | jusdeadphunky wrote: | | TrespassersW wrote: | | jusdeadphunky wrote: | | okay and what is your point? the u.s. media does the same exact thing... |
I was responding to a question Raibeart asked. In short, I showed--giving both citations and my own analysis--that not every news source peppers its reporting with the kind of bias IMEMC clearly chooses to use. (IMEMC is run by Palestinians and understandably sides with them in these issues. That I understand their bias does not mean I approve of it or choose to pretend it doesn't exist. I would also be skeptical of any Israeli source reporting on conflicts between Israel and Palestinians.)
It's easy for you to blithely argue that the u.s. media does the same exact thing, but were that sweeping generalization completely true it would not make the IMEMC coverage valuable to anyone seeking the truth. (And I'd ask you to offer me examples to support your claim regarding the u.s. media, but we both know where that will go.) |
we do the same thing. you must look at both sides of the issue and not close the door on the other, because it is run by palestinians...our media is filtered by the zionists. |
Actually, it is rather refreshing to look at the news reports that come from papers around the world. My fav. is the Guardian. The reporters involved in the "Downing Street Memo" were threatened with jail if they released the story. And went ahead and did it anyway.
.....I wonder if they ever went to jail? |
similar to how the editors of the new york times are threatened with jail and called traitors every time they expose illegal doings of the bush administration. |
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