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Averell Torrent
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 Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 4:40 am Post subject: Evolution v Creation |
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Evolution v Creation
In this thread i am not asserting one over the other but merely defining the two and poiting out faults and thruths in each.
Evolution
Evolution is the theory that everything slowly evolved over millions of years from basic organisms. Evolutions believes in survival of the fittiest where the species most fit to survive adapt and continue and those that dont die out. This is supposed to explain how we became more advanced until we reached where we are today.
Faults of Evolution
1. It is a scientific fact that matter can neither be created or destroyed. If this is true than how could a random organism pop up. Whether you believe in a God or that everything is created in the Capital One Credit card lab there has to be some kind of infinite being or force that started everything.
2. If we purely evolutionized than how do you explain fellings like guilt,love, compassion, and bad ones like greed and lust.
3. This is just my opinion but how our bodies work and how life works and the earth and stuff just seems too perfect to be a coincidence of nature.
Creation
Creation is the belief that the universe and all of its inhabitants were created in one powerful act by a higher being. Im gonna describe this from a Christian perspective. Christians believe god created the earth in 7 days and made us special and to look like him(though the bible speaks symbolically and metaphorically often and shoudlnt always be taken literally. Creation belives everything was put here for a reason and that humans are special.
Faults of Creation
1. There is geological evidence of the continents being together at once and there being many older species that died out or became new ones.
2. Obviuosly a higher being is very complex and hard to understand thus maing many people not believe
3. The earth is hundreds of millions of years old and humans have not been around for much of them, thus making them not created at the same time.
My view on this is more of a deist one that combines both. Where a higher being like God set evolution in motion and created us indirectly by creating the laws of the universe and matter and he knew we wuold eventually be born. |
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SPAMHUNTER
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| Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 1:02 pm Post subject: Re: Evolution v Creation |
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Faults of Evolution
1. It is a scientific fact that matter can neither be created or destroyed. If this is true than how could a random organism pop up. Whether you believe in a God or that everything is created in the Capital One Credit card lab there has to be some kind of infinite being or force that started everything.
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Evolution refers to the evolution of the species (usually spelled "Evolution", capital e), and this obviously started when Earth was already in place. The matter necessary to build the beings out of the construction-happy carbon formed out of the matter that was already present. No violation of the law of energy-conservation there.
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2. If we purely evolutionized than how do you explain fellings like guilt,love, compassion, and bad ones like greed and lust.
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My stance is that the universe actually was created by a conscious entity, even that this entity itself is the universe. What else material would God use to form anything but his own soul? And I believe that it basically consists of pure perception.
What would it perceive? Perception, of course. Meaning: Perception can form itself into anything it wants. Obviously, an emotional aspect is involved, what else judgment would this being use to make its decisions?
So, I believe that existence is ultimately God himself, a spirit, living emotion, living phantasy. I believe that human beings (and animals, even plants, for that matter) are God being folded into himself - little instances looking at the whole. I believe that God folded himself to be the coexistence of spirits.
In the beginning, there was the pure consciousness of God. And in the end, there is the coexistence of (more or less) pure consciousnesses in human form. The feelings like guilt etc. are not a construct but the direct result of a spirit living in a coexistence-situation.
Don't get disturbed by the whole "spirit" talk. Just because the essence of everything that exists is (as far as I believe) pure consciousness, that doesn't make atoms any less real or natural laws any less strict and true.
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3. This is just my opinion but how our bodies work and how life works and the earth and stuff just seems too perfect to be a coincidence of nature.
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There are tons of arguments against this view, for example the fact that our fragile biosphere is, as far as we know, the only place in the known universe in which we can survive. And then there's cancer, the appendix, the pope and so forth - the word "perfect" is not what comes to mind.
And additionally: It is not that the cavity was so perfectly formed for the puddle of water to be in. The water adapted to the given situation.
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My view on this is more of a deist one that combines both. Where a higher being like God set evolution in motion and created us indirectly by creating the laws of the universe and matter and he knew we wuold eventually be born. |
That's basically what I believe, as stated above.
And I even go a step further: I think that (according to my theory above) one day, God himself will appear as a human being, completing the self-similar process of folding the primal consciousness into itself. So, I believe that we are actually in Heaven. The whole time. That's the universe. And once the first one arrives, it will even look and feel like this. |
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Cookie Parker
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| Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 8:57 pm Post subject: |
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This "conscious entity" doesn't seem to be able to do one thing and one thing well. I mean, is it supporting the Muslims, jews or christians? Is it loving or hateful?
Why does it call for cannibalism?
Is it compassionate or wrathful?
Face it, god is a man made critter...to manipulate people who are too lazy to study science |
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