joeyjock
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I say it's because .... republicans on the whole see the individual - or people as an afterthought...
ie: save the fetus but defund all the post partum agencies for mothers and families
support the troops but leave VA hospitals like Walter Reed to founder
lie to the the American people that they are saving Social Security for the future...while robbing the coffers for their tax cuts
on and on and on.... |
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Nesta13Maldini
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| Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Lester wrote: | | Nesta13Maldini wrote: | | Lester wrote: | | Nesta13Maldini wrote: | | Lester wrote: | | I hate the troops. |
Then go to Canada! lol I love saying that  |
I'm in Australia, but I've been to Canada, and both of those countries also have a military, it's very dissapointing. |
Well then come to America then go to Canada you terrorist lover!  |
I never said I loved terrorists! Although I do sympathize with their plight. |
LOL yea but you know how the spin works here in the West |
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Lester
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| Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 7:40 am Post subject: |
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| Nesta13Maldini wrote: | | Lester wrote: | | Nesta13Maldini wrote: | | Lester wrote: | | Nesta13Maldini wrote: | | Lester wrote: | | I hate the troops. |
Then go to Canada! lol I love saying that |
I'm in Australia, but I've been to Canada, and both of those countries also have a military, it's very dissapointing. |
Well then come to America then go to Canada you terrorist lover! |
I never said I loved terrorists! Although I do sympathize with their plight. |
LOL yea but you know how the spin works here in the West |
I thought I was in a no spin zone... |
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joeyjock
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| Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 1:17 am Post subject: |
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No...but they have enough money to give back to people like Dick Cheney and Donald Trump in the form of millions in tax cuts...I'd gladdly give up my measly one thousand dollar give back if I knew it would give wounded vets better care
Ya think Dick would say the same? |
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Anym
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| Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 11:59 am Post subject: |
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| joeyjock wrote: | No...but they have enough money to give back to people like Dick Cheney and Donald Trump in the form of millions in tax cuts...I'd gladly give up my measly one thousand dollar give back if I knew it would give wounded vets better care
Ya think Dick would say the same? |
No wanna know what our government is spending money on instead of vets? Rich people.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17...../?from=rss
in short is says using our tax payer money the gov. is paying rich people to save money.
Please can somebody explain why? |
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joeyjock
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| Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 1:58 am Post subject: |
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| ...and yet Mothers have to send their kids anti-shock helmets and better flack jackets so they don't get riddled with shrapnel when they hit an IED out in Anbar province |
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Lester
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| Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 9:23 am Post subject: |
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| Anym wrote: | | joeyjock wrote: | No...but they have enough money to give back to people like Dick Cheney and Donald Trump in the form of millions in tax cuts...I'd gladly give up my measly one thousand dollar give back if I knew it would give wounded vets better care
Ya think Dick would say the same? |
No wanna know what our government is spending money on instead of vets? Rich people.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17...../?from=rss
in short is says using our tax payer money the gov. is paying rich people to save money.
Please can somebody explain why? |
100% tax is what I say, although it wouldn't be spent on military, in this day and age we shouldn't even *need* a military, which of course was one of the reasons they had to go to war, to prevent people thinking that the military-industrial complex was useless.. |
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exton
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| Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 2:13 am Post subject: |
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| Lester wrote: |
100% tax is what I say, |
That's madness.
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although it wouldn't be spent on military, in this day and age we shouldn't even *need* a military, which of course was one of the reasons they had to go to war, to prevent people thinking that the military-industrial complex was useless.. |
Even without the military industrial complex, the necessity for a military doesn't go away. It'll have to be phased out over decades, or even centuries. During that time, it won't disappear, but, rather, will change in form. |
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Lester
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| Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 9:53 am Post subject: |
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Ka-Raaaayyyzzzzyyy. Why not?
Ok I guess can see why we would always need some form of military, but I would prefer if it was just intelligence, we don't need tanks, think that would be a plausible change in form? |
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exton
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| Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 4:24 am Post subject: |
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| Lester wrote: | | Ka-Raaaayyyzzzzyyy. Why not? |
While the laffer curve is, by and large, useless and full of crap, it's quite true to say that people won't be very motivated to work if the government literally takes all their money.
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Ok I guess can see why we would always need some form of military, but I would prefer if it was just intelligence, we don't need tanks, think that would be a plausible change in form? |
By "change in form", i mean, no longer fighting wars.
It'll go away, but we'll never SAY that it's going away. People don't like these sorts of changes, and so they must be subtle. |
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Lester
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| Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 6:46 am Post subject: |
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| Thats just the thing, it would be taking away all their money, because they would never get their money, it would just be providing everything they needed. |
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exton
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| Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 7:46 am Post subject: |
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| Lester wrote: | | it would just be providing everything they needed. |
People are not motivated by need. They're motivated by desire. |
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Lester
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| Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 8:43 am Post subject: |
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| They'd get some of that too. Also I'd argue that our needs are a large part of our desires. |
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exton
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| Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 8:50 am Post subject: |
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| Lester wrote: | | They'd get some of that too. |
Some of...their desires?
As determined by who?
And on what basis? In relation to the amount that they work, or just doled out as the government sees fit?
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Also I'd argue that our needs are a large part of our desires. |
I suppose so, in that, if you lack what you need, you desire it.
But desire doesn't stop when need is fulfilled. It doesn't even reduce. It just continues. |
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Lester
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By themselves?? There would be basic fare that everyone would get, and then on top of that, there would be an allowance of a sort, which could be used either with the basic fare to upgrade it, or to buy useless but desireable objects.
Why do we desire a porsche? Because one of our needs is the satisfaction of our ego, and to feel 'cool' or 'wanted' satisfies that need. |
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