Refused
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| Lynx wrote: | | Refused wrote: | | When you suspect that Al-Quieda has come to blow up America because they hate our freedom, that really is a conspiracy theory. Heck, the FBI can't even provide enough evidence Osama Bin Laden even did the attacks. |
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| Lynx wrote: | | I believe that all conspiracy theorists are kooks until they provide some thoughtful and serious evidence. |
There's plenty of evidence that it was Al-Qaeda. So no, I am not a kook.
It's hilarious that you aren't even going to TRY and prove any of this. You're wasting my time. Good day. |
What is that evidence? Is it PDB's? Is it FBI guys saying that they knew something was going to happen? That seems to all be "hearsay" but you take that in. |
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Refused
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| fellfire wrote: | | Lester wrote: | | I think refused is saying that the motive you've placed behind Al-Quaeda is wrong. |
And you see, there is a problem Refused may have - attributing action to motive. There is plenty of evidence that Al-Queda was behind the attacks on 911, no matter what their motive was. It isn't a conspiracy theory when there are facts you can point to.
Refused and Turk have only shown that some people are members of the CFR and that the CFR promotes trans-national governments. Those motives (for whatever motivates them) are not actions - there is no evidence of a shady illuminati hiding in the bowls of the CFR building acting to steal away our soveriegnty. THUS, it is a conspiracy theory. |
There are a few facts we can point to. The document "Building a North American Community." Even some of the interviews with Vicente Fox he's been saying that's what he's been trying to achieve. Congress, by the way, disagrees with you and they believe that Bush is pushing, along with the SPP & CFR, for a "North American Integration". Now this, I admit, is a little bit of speculation, but it does make sense, the talk of the "Amero", this phrase was coined by Robert Pastor, one of the same guys that wrote Building A North American Community, and the upcoming collapse of the dollar, which you may or may not believe, but a few top economist would disagree. Of course, similarities don't go well with you guys (even though 9/11 truth compares the buildings falling with controlled demolitions), but there are a lot of similarities going on about the creation of the EU and NAU. |
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Lynx
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| Quote: | Sponsored by the Council on Foreign Relations in association with the Canadian Council of Chief Executives and the Consejo Mexicano de Asuntos Internacionales.
North America is vulnerable on several fronts: the region faces terrorist and criminal security threats, increased economic competition from abroad, and uneven economic development at home. In response to these challenges, a trinational, Independent Task Force on the Future of North America has developed a roadmap to promote North American security and advance the well-being of citizens of all three countries.
When the leaders of Canada, Mexico, and the United States met in Texas recently they underscored the deep ties and shared principles of the three countries. The Council-sponsored Task Force applauds the announced “Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America,” but proposes a more ambitious vision of a new community by 2010 and specific recommendations on how to achieve it. |
That's the damning evidence you provide? A document talking about increased cooperation on security and well-being measures between three border-sharing countries? Good lord, why would we ever cooperate with people who share borders with us on things like security?
| Quote: | | Of course, similarities don't go well with you guys (even though 9/11 truth compares the buildings falling with controlled demolitions), but there are a lot of similarities going on about the creation of the EU and NAU. |
It's sad that I have to prod this out of you since you're the one trying to prove this, but could you provide examples? Or even just one example would be awesome. |
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Lynx
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| Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 1:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Refused wrote: | | Lynx wrote: | | Refused wrote: | | When you suspect that Al-Quieda has come to blow up America because they hate our freedom, that really is a conspiracy theory. Heck, the FBI can't even provide enough evidence Osama Bin Laden even did the attacks. |
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| Lynx wrote: | | I believe that all conspiracy theorists are kooks until they provide some thoughtful and serious evidence. |
There's plenty of evidence that it was Al-Qaeda. So no, I am not a kook.
It's hilarious that you aren't even going to TRY and prove any of this. You're wasting my time. Good day. |
What is that evidence? Is it PDB's? Is it FBI guys saying that they knew something was going to happen? That seems to all be "hearsay" but you take that in. |
Two years of investigations and an entire book filled with evidence and logically-derived conclusions is hardly "hearsay".
But this isn't about me. This is about you and about your damn idea that you want us to believe yet have no desire to bother trying to prove. So instead of trying to prove me as an idiot for not believing you off the bat without asking questions, why don't you actually start proving your assertions? |
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Turk
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| Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 11:36 pm Post subject: |
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| fellfire wrote: | | As with most conspiracy theorists, Turk is ingrained in his delusion and can't logically recognize evidence from aspirations. |
Hey conspiracy theorists were the ones that uncovered the mafia.
With out conspiracy theorists nothing would get solved |
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exton
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| Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 11:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Turk wrote: |
Hey conspiracy theorists were the ones that uncovered the mafia.
With out conspiracy theorists nothing would get solved |
The mafia never needed 'uncovering'. |
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Turk
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| exton wrote: | | Turk wrote: |
Hey conspiracy theorists were the ones that uncovered the mafia.
With out conspiracy theorists nothing would get solved |
The mafia never needed 'uncovering'. |
well the government for their 70 year existance here never once admitted such an organization existed until joe valachi testified in 1963
until then the government never acknowledged cosa nostra ever exisited
they bought off cops, judges, lawyers, legislature until they got too big and needed to take a fall |
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Lynx
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Why does this matter?
Another conspiracy theory being valid doesn't make yours valid. As I said before, conspiracies that provide hard-hitting facts and evidence are not kooky. It's the ones that base everything on the words of a few people without any other actual confirmation or evidence that are kooky. And so far, yours has fallen into the definition of kooky. Perhaps if you provide some evidence like we keep asking, you can leave that category. |
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fellfire
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Believing in whatever conspiracy theory you want is fine - its a free country. But you come here and post stuff and you seem to expect to get some people to agree with you, that requires a bit more then wishful thinking.
As Lynx stated, if you want to depart the conversation from Conspiracy Theory to something else, you need to give something more them the deisre of a few individuals and prognosticators. |
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Turk
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| fellfire wrote: | Believing in whatever conspiracy theory you want is fine - its a free country. But you come here and post stuff and you seem to expect to get some people to agree with you, that requires a bit more then wishful thinking.
As Lynx stated, if you want to depart the conversation from Conspiracy Theory to something else, you need to give something more them the deisre of a few individuals and prognosticators. |
what? |
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Lynx
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| Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 7:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Turk wrote: | | fellfire wrote: | Believing in whatever conspiracy theory you want is fine - its a free country. But you come here and post stuff and you seem to expect to get some people to agree with you, that requires a bit more then wishful thinking.
As Lynx stated, if you want to depart the conversation from Conspiracy Theory to something else, you need to give something more them the deisre of a few individuals and prognosticators. |
what? |
What he said made sense. |
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exton
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| To the literate. |
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Refused
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| I'll make a bigger argument but right now, I am tight on time. |
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Lynx
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| Oh finally. |
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Turk
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Robert Pastor member of CFR
The architect of FTAA NAU SPP
Wants a EU style Superstate in the Americas
Wants to do away with our sovereignty
look up
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