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| Lester wrote: | | I like Olbermann, but why can't we just get facts? Thats why I like wikipedia. |
Olbermann kicks ass, 'tis true. Several of his special commentaries on youtube are devastating. I have zero use for any of the other commentators, and rarely can bear to watch any cable news services anymore. The 'entertainment factor' is just too pernicious.
I don't know if y'all have seen it, but Frontline is doing a 4 part show on the media. It's worth catching.
As far as TV news goes, the only show I will watch with any real interest is the Jim Lehrer News Hour.
If it's facts you want, for international news, try csmonitor.com (great site), or the Economist (free market proponents), throw in the BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/) for good news with a vaguely leftist take on occasion. Domestically, US News does a good job of covering stuff in detail without much in the way of obvious bias. |
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jusdeadphunky
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I don't know if y'all have seen it, but Frontline is doing a 4 part show on the media. It's worth catching.
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huh, i didn't know that was a 4 part series...i caught some of it what last week when they were talking about the sale of the LA times and thought that was it. |
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Lester
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| amoralanimal wrote: | | Lester wrote: | | I like Olbermann, but why can't we just get facts? Thats why I like wikipedia. |
Olbermann kicks ass, 'tis true. Several of his special commentaries on youtube are devastating. I have zero use for any of the other commentators, and rarely can bear to watch any cable news services anymore. The 'entertainment factor' is just too pernicious.
I don't know if y'all have seen it, but Frontline is doing a 4 part show on the media. It's worth catching.
As far as TV news goes, the only show I will watch with any real interest is the Jim Lehrer News Hour.
If it's facts you want, for international news, try csmonitor.com (great site), or the Economist (free market proponents), throw in the BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/) for good news with a vaguely leftist take on occasion. Domestically, US News does a good job of covering stuff in detail without much in the way of obvious bias. |
Someone once told me that Jim Lehrer was biased, I was a little confused, it seems to boring to be biased. |
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| Am I the only one who thinks that the quality of CNN's broadcast(if not all of turner broadcasting) has dramatically declined over the years?(especially with the celebrity scandal overkill that should be left to VH1 or E) |
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| I totally agree anym. After the anna nicole smith debacle, i lost the last shred of respect that i had for CNN. |
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amoralanimal
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| Lester wrote: | | amoralanimal wrote: | | Lester wrote: | | I like Olbermann, but why can't we just get facts? Thats why I like wikipedia. |
Olbermann kicks ass, 'tis true. Several of his special commentaries on youtube are devastating. I have zero use for any of the other commentators, and rarely can bear to watch any cable news services anymore. The 'entertainment factor' is just too pernicious.
I don't know if y'all have seen it, but Frontline is doing a 4 part show on the media. It's worth catching.
As far as TV news goes, the only show I will watch with any real interest is the Jim Lehrer News Hour.
If it's facts you want, for international news, try csmonitor.com (great site), or the Economist (free market proponents), throw in the BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/) for good news with a vaguely leftist take on occasion. Domestically, US News does a good job of covering stuff in detail without much in the way of obvious bias. |
Someone once told me that Jim Lehrer was biased, I was a little confused, it seems to boring to be biased. |
Well, the 'boring factor' depends on our outlook - my 15 year old actually has come to really like the show now that he understands the context of the stories they cover, and can see how the substance of the stories 'fit' into the world. They do a pretty good job - for a TV news show - of drilling down into more than the superficial aspects, and they don't restrict themselves to the cable-news-story-of-the-day. If you like sound bytes, it definitely ain't for you. But if you like some in-depth analysis, I think it's pretty good. |
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jusdeadphunky
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| exton wrote: | | I totally agree anym. After the anna nicole smith debacle, i lost the last shred of respect that i had for CNN. |
this anna nichole stuff has got to stop. i can not believe that people have not yet begun to boycott the programs that are keeping her story in headlines.
she was a drug addicted gold digging lunatic and they are acting like the world lost another mother theresa. |
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Lester
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| amoralanimal wrote: | | Lester wrote: | | amoralanimal wrote: | | Lester wrote: | | I like Olbermann, but why can't we just get facts? Thats why I like wikipedia. |
Olbermann kicks ass, 'tis true. Several of his special commentaries on youtube are devastating. I have zero use for any of the other commentators, and rarely can bear to watch any cable news services anymore. The 'entertainment factor' is just too pernicious.
I don't know if y'all have seen it, but Frontline is doing a 4 part show on the media. It's worth catching.
As far as TV news goes, the only show I will watch with any real interest is the Jim Lehrer News Hour.
If it's facts you want, for international news, try csmonitor.com (great site), or the Economist (free market proponents), throw in the BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/) for good news with a vaguely leftist take on occasion. Domestically, US News does a good job of covering stuff in detail without much in the way of obvious bias. |
Someone once told me that Jim Lehrer was biased, I was a little confused, it seems to boring to be biased. |
Well, the 'boring factor' depends on our outlook - my 15 year old actually has come to really like the show now that he understands the context of the stories they cover, and can see how the substance of the stories 'fit' into the world. They do a pretty good job - for a TV news show - of drilling down into more than the superficial aspects, and they don't restrict themselves to the cable-news-story-of-the-day. If you like sound bytes, it definitely ain't for you. But if you like some in-depth analysis, I think it's pretty good. |
Oh don't get me wrong, *I* like it, but it's definitely not what journalistic awards are made of, because it's just facts, or so I thought, but then people were like haha, jim lehrer? That guys so freaking liberal! I was like wha-? |
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| jusdeadphunky wrote: | | exton wrote: | | I totally agree anym. After the anna nicole smith debacle, i lost the last shred of respect that i had for CNN. |
this anna nichole stuff has got to stop. i can not believe that people have not yet begun to boycott the programs that are keeping her story in headlines.
she was a drug addicted gold digging lunatic and they are acting like the world lost another mother theresa. |
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Oh don't get me wrong, *I* like it, but it's definitely not what journalistic awards are made of, because it's just facts, or so I thought, but then people were like haha, jim lehrer? That guys so freaking liberal! I was like wha-? |
This is interesting on a coupe of levels.
1. If indeed he is liberal, then he does the appropriate thing and does not let it affect his reporting. I am *exceedingly* sensitive to bias (one might go so far as to say paranoid), yet I would not have guessed that. So why aren't the political leanings of more reporters this non-transparent?? Ahhh...because their bias serves their purpose, of course.
2. Did these people back up this assertion in any way? If not, perhaps it says more about their biases than about Lehrer's.  |
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Lester
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| Well apparently the network he's on is left-leaning. |
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amoralanimal
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| Lester wrote: | | Well apparently the network he's on is left-leaning. |
Ahhh...yeah, that old excuse. The argument goes, because he is on a network some of whose programs are left-leaning (NPR has a clear left-bias, for example), he must himself be a liberal.
But this guilt-by-association approach is just a logical fallacy. It's basically saying that a biased news organization won't hire people that do not share the bias. That's nonsense. Lou Dobbs is on CNN. Alan Combes is on Fox. I just don't buy this.
And even if he is, as long as he doesn't let his bias get in the way of his factual reporting, what should it matter? |
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Lester
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| Thats what I thought, he himself barely even talks about issues, and whenever there is a controversial one, he just has a debate, and I've never seen a particularly one sided debate. |
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