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THEUNKNOWNMAN
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I heard this said once of conspiracies:
"If 10 families lived in a town,
and of those ten families,
2 were rich beyond belief,
and 8 were poor.
Would not those two rich families band together to protect their wealth?"
I would.
"If a conspiracy didn't already exist, I'd start one."
"Lets see how deep the rabbit hole goes" |
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Patriot
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Conspiracy's are the lovechild of an absent mind. They are interesting to think about but in reality, the thruth is usually right in front of us. And the third quote is from the Matrix.  |
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THEUNKNOWNMAN
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| Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 10:49 pm Post subject: RBG |
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| Those who deny conspiracy amomgst the anoles of American History are not only egotistical and berift of thought, but ignorant to the founding beliefs of this country. If you open your eyes it is easy to see. We have been lied to and decieved since practically the begining of time by people with so much money and power that they can do things that defy logic. We are so warped and bent into this mold, that has been pre-made for us by filthy rich, in-bred tycoons with deep rooted plans for the future of this country and world. I have seen so many of my brothers forced into complacent slavery at the hands of this so called "benign and benevolant goverment". It's been proved over and over again that the goverment is a lying, manipulative group of overpaid, golf-playing, company owning, blue blooded fleshbags who wouldn't know justice and equality if it shotgunned them to the face. Tiis is not a quote from a movie. This all real GuerillaRBG broadcasting through your ghetto grape vine. My words are the gospel, believe it. |
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Docsmitter
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| Posted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 2:11 am Post subject: Re: RBG |
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| THEUNKNOWNMAN wrote: | | Those who deny conspiracy amomgst the anoles of American History are not only egotistical and berift of thought, but ignorant to the founding beliefs of this country. If you open your eyes it is easy to see. We have been lied to and decieved since practically the begining of time by people with so much money and power that they can do things that defy logic. We are so warped and bent into this mold, that has been pre-made for us by filthy rich, in-bred tycoons with deep rooted plans for the future of this country and world. I have seen so many of my brothers forced into complacent slavery at the hands of this so called "benign and benevolant goverment". It's been proved over and over again that the goverment is a lying, manipulative group of overpaid, golf-playing, company owning, blue blooded fleshbags who wouldn't know justice and equality if it shotgunned them to the face. Tiis is not a quote from a movie. This all real GuerillaRBG broadcasting through your ghetto grape vine. My words are the gospel, believe it. |
DO we allready have a sockpuppet here... |
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Lester
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I agree that conspiracy does seem likely, but these two rich families, do you really think they'd let on to the other eight that they were in charge?? Doubt it.
Almost all conspiracy theories must face one simple questions, if these people have created this one web of lies, why can they not make another that you are being fed? |
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MissLisa
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| Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 12:47 pm Post subject: Re: Conspiracy |
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| THEUNKNOWNMAN wrote: | I heard this said once of conspiracies:
"If 10 families lived in a town,
and of those ten families,
2 were rich beyond belief,
and 8 were poor.
Would not those two rich families band together to protect their wealth?"
I would.
"If a conspiracy didn't already exist, I'd start one."
"Lets see how deep the rabbit hole goes" |
Perhaps this is what is wrong with our country, or the world. We want to horde instead of share. Having the "this is mine you can't have it" mindset puts all things that stem from fear into motion.
Can you imagine what would happen if we shared our resources instead of horde it. Why not share with the neighbors and let them feel cared for. You would have an amazing neighborhood!!
Imagine that is spread outward from your nneighborhood... we would live in a very different world. Crime would not exist, there would be no reason for it to.
I pesonally, would share with my neighbors. |
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7th Avenue Rebel
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| Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 2:55 am Post subject: Re: Conspiracy |
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| MissLisa wrote: | | THEUNKNOWNMAN wrote: | I heard this said once of conspiracies:
"If 10 families lived in a town,
and of those ten families,
2 were rich beyond belief,
and 8 were poor.
Would not those two rich families band together to protect their wealth?"
I would.
"If a conspiracy didn't already exist, I'd start one."
"Lets see how deep the rabbit hole goes" |
Perhaps this is what is wrong with our country, or the world. We want to horde instead of share. Having the "this is mine you can't have it" mindset puts all things that stem from fear into motion.
Can you imagine what would happen if we shared our resources instead of horde it. Why not share with the neighbors and let them feel cared for. You would have an amazing neighborhood!!
Imagine that is spread outward from your nneighborhood... we would live in a very different world. Crime would not exist, there would be no reason for it to.
I pesonally, would share with my neighbors. |
most of that your saying is the real version of anarchy, and that would work, but no one wants to give it a chance, or the people that do want to give it a chance arn't doing enough about it, but if anyone likes the matrix, you HAVE to see v for vendeta, its even better and more bluntly saying "america, the u.k. and this world, is fucked up" and that moive, its amazing! |
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exton
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| Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 3:47 am Post subject: Re: Conspiracy |
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| 7th Avenue Rebel wrote: | | most of that your saying is the real version of anarchy, and that would work, but no one wants to give it a chance |
Because we like our "running water" and "electricity" and whatnot. |
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Nesta13Maldini
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| Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 9:40 am Post subject: Re: Conspiracy |
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| MissLisa wrote: | | THEUNKNOWNMAN wrote: | I heard this said once of conspiracies:
"If 10 families lived in a town,
and of those ten families,
2 were rich beyond belief,
and 8 were poor.
Would not those two rich families band together to protect their wealth?"
I would.
"If a conspiracy didn't already exist, I'd start one."
"Lets see how deep the rabbit hole goes" |
Perhaps this is what is wrong with our country, or the world. We want to horde instead of share. Having the "this is mine you can't have it" mindset puts all things that stem from fear into motion.
Can you imagine what would happen if we shared our resources instead of horde it. Why not share with the neighbors and let them feel cared for. You would have an amazing neighborhood!!
Imagine that is spread outward from your nneighborhood... we would live in a very different world. Crime would not exist, there would be no reason for it to.
I pesonally, would share with my neighbors. |
I'm amazed at what anarchy can do with everyone but I've come to realize that not all people deserve the same resources as others.
I still believe that even if we do share our resources there would still be crime. Having something equaly doesn't get rid of crime, there are always people out there who want more than others and will try to get that at any cost.
Going back to the first quotes, it also depends on how that money was made. I wouldn't mind sharing with my neighbors but people tend to take advantage of things of that matter. If the poor people make no effort in trying to get money, then why should I create something so they can have something. I wouldn't mind helping out the working people which is why anarcho-sydicalism amazes me. |
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Nesta13Maldini
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| Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 9:43 am Post subject: Re: Conspiracy |
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| 7th Avenue Rebel wrote: | | most of that your saying is the real version of anarchy, and that would work, but no one wants to give it a chance, or the people that do want to give it a chance arn't doing enough about it... |
I would think because most people don't concentrate on "What's gonna happen to all of us." They tend to think more of "What's gonna happen to me." |
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exton
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| Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 11:45 pm Post subject: Re: Conspiracy |
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| Nesta13Maldini wrote: |
I'm amazed at what anarchy can do with everyone but I've come to realize that not all people deserve the same resources as others. |
People working together is not anarchy. It's the opposite.
Whenever you have people organizing themselves, being a "society", you have a government. You might not call it one, but that's what it is. |
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Nesta13Maldini
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| Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 12:51 am Post subject: Re: Conspiracy |
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| exton wrote: | | Nesta13Maldini wrote: |
I'm amazed at what anarchy can do with everyone but I've come to realize that not all people deserve the same resources as others. |
People working together is not anarchy. It's the opposite.
Whenever you have people organizing themselves, being a "society", you have a government. You might not call it one, but that's what it is. |
I never said anarchy was working together. I just said I'm amazed at what it can do to everyone, then I left anarchy and went into today's people as to say that not all people deserve the same. I was going back to say that if 2 people were rich and the rest were poor than I don't think that the rich should help out the poor if the poor don't do anything to try to get out of that situation. I didn't mean to say that anarchy was like that... my mistake  |
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exton
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| Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 1:01 am Post subject: Re: Conspiracy |
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| Nesta13Maldini wrote: |
I never said anarchy was working together. |
Oh, okay. Lisa said it was, and i thought you agreed with her. |
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7th Avenue Rebel
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| Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 4:40 am Post subject: Re: Conspiracy |
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| Nesta13Maldini wrote: | | 7th Avenue Rebel wrote: | | most of that your saying is the real version of anarchy, and that would work, but no one wants to give it a chance, or the people that do want to give it a chance arn't doing enough about it... |
I would think because most people don't concentrate on "What's gonna happen to all of us." They tend to think more of "What's gonna happen to me." |
yeah man, this world is based off of greed now, but i love the noam quote, i've just started doing my own studying on him, hes the shit |
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7th Avenue Rebel
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idk if this will solve anything, but this guy wrote this, dont know his name or anything about him but i think this decribes anarchism in better words than i could
I want to tell you about anarchism. I want to tell you what anarchism is, because I think it is well you should know it. Also because so little is known about it, and what is known is generally hearsay and mostly false. I want to tell you about it, because I believe that anarchism is the finest and biggest thing man has ever thought of; the only thing that can give you liberty and well-being, and bring peace and joy to the world. I want to tell you about it in such plain and simple language that there will be no misunderstanding it. Big words and high-sounding phrases serve only to confuse. Straight thinking means plain speaking. But before I tell you what anarchism is, I want to tell you what it is not. That is necessary because so much falsehood has been spread about anarchism. Even intelligent persons often have entirely wrong notions about it. Some people talk about anarchism without knowing a ting about it. And some lie about anarchism, because they don't want you to know the truth about it. Anarchism has many enemies; they won't tell you the truth about it. Why anarchism has enemies and who they are, you will see later, in the course of this story. Just now I can tell you that neither your political boss nor your employer, neither the capitalist nor the policeman will speak to you honestly about anarchism. Most of them know nothing about it, and all of them hate it. Their newspapers and publications- the capitalistic press- are all also against it. Even most socialists and Bolsheviks misrepresent anarchism. True, the majority of them don't know any better. But those who do know better also often lie about anarchism and speak of it as "disorder and chaos". You can see for yourself how dishonest they are in this: the greatest teachers of socialism- Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels- had taught that anarchism would come from Socialism. They said that we must first have socialism, but that atfer socialism there would be anarchism, and that it would be a freer and more beautiful condition of society to live in than socialism. Yet the socialists, who swear by Marx and Engels, insist on calling anarchism "chaos and disorder," which shows you how ignorant and dishonest they are. The Bolsheviks do the same, although their greatest teacher, Lenin, had said that anarchism would follow Bolshevism, and that then it will be better and freer to live. Therefore I must tell you, first of all, what anarchism is not. It is not bombs, disorder or chaos. It is not robbery and murder. It is not war of each against all. It is not a return of barbarism or to the wild state of man. Anarchism is the very opposite of all that. Anarchism means that you should be free; that no one should enslave you, boss you, rob you, or impose upon you. It means that you should be free to do things you want to do; and that you should not be compelled to do what you don't want to do. It means that you should have a chance to choose the kind of life you want to live, and live it without anybody interfering. It means that the next fellow should have the same freedom as you; that everyone should have the same rights and liberties. It means that all men are brothers and all women are sisters, and that they should live like brothers and sisters, in peace and harmony. That is to say, that there should be no war, no violence by one set of men against another, no monopoly, and no poverty, no oppression, no taking advantage of your fellow man. In short, anarchism means a condition of society where all men and women are free, and where all enjoy equally the benefits of an ordered and sensible life. "Can that be?" you ask; "and how?" "Not before we all become angels," your friend remarks. Well, let us talk it over. Maybe I can show you that we can be decent and live as decent folks without throwing things.
When you're putting forward the idea of revolution you have a responsibility to build in from the very beginning the realization that no revolution can take place successfully with out an armed confrontation with the State. The imperialist power will fight as long as it can with the most technological weapons that it has, and we feel that pacisfism and non-violence become an excuse for not struggling in what we feel is a humans obligation in this world to bring about revolutionary change and to destroy the imperialist system.
Freedom is existence without coercion, exploitation, and domination. For some this means to live in a society and community with absolutely no government. For others it means creating a life without both the state and capitalism, in which human affairs are directed by all people equally. Also, As free people we can, should, and will govern ourselves through direct democratic processes in our communities and workplaces. We will organize in both the workplace and community and efforts to bring about social change. We recognize the many different kinds of anarchism and that not everyone believes in the traditional thought of bringing about revolution through violence, but rather favor other strategies for obtaining liberation. Being this, we also favor the non-violent anarchist who participate in militant direct action and disobedience, while simultaneously building non-hierarchial and self-managing organizations that will bring revolution and an end to capitalism from the bottom up rather than the top down. |
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