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NEW STUDY FINDS U.S. MATH STUDENTS CONSISTENTLY BEHIND THEIR PEERS AROUND THE WORLD
FINDINGS CHALLENGE CONVENTIONAL WISDOM ABOUT U.S. MATH SUCCESS IN EARLY GRADES
WASHINGTON, D.C. - Despite a widely held belief that U.S. students do well in mathematics in grade school but decline precipitously in high school, a new study comparing the math skills of students in industrialized nations finds that U.S. students in 4th and 8th grade perform consistently below most of their peers around the world and continue that trend into high school. |
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joeyjock
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U.S. falls in education rank compared to other countries
Posted Saturday, October 1 2005 04:09:04 am
(U-WIRE) LOS ANGELES - The United States is falling when it comes to international education rankings, as recent studies show that other nations in the developed world have more effective education systems. |
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cornopean
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| Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 1:43 am Post subject: Re: Conservative Paradox |
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| TrespassersW wrote: |
First, I dispute the notion that we must be ruled by presumptions. |
everyone lives and thinks with certain presumptions....yes?
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Second, I'm not choosing between your two presumptions, I'm suggesting (as I think a lot of people are) that when we're looking for parents for kids who have none, we may need to set aside the perfect in favor of the good. |
well I suppose two loving gay moms is better than traditional parents where one is abusive. but we must either presume that a mom and dad is to be encouraged by the govt or presume that a mom and dad is inconsequential. two moms can do as good a job as a mom and a dad. |
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Toxic
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| Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 4:44 am Post subject: Re: Conservative Paradox |
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| Quote: | | but we must either presume that a mom and dad is to be encouraged by the govt or presume that a mom and dad is inconsequential. |
Or presume that the government has no business presuming anything in this case. |
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fellfire
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| Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 4:55 pm Post subject: Re: Conservative Paradox |
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| cornopean wrote: |
but we must either presume that a mom and dad is to be encouraged by the govt or presume that a mom and dad is inconsequential. |
Once again, corny, a false dichotomy ... you seem to be full of these. These are not the only choices, we can presume that children flourish surrounded by the greatest number of loving, concerned adults. We do not value 'consequentiality' on moms or dads, because every case is unique.
We did your way before - mixed-marriages - and it was wrong; studies have shown that children flourish in all manner of loving home relationships and that it has less to do on the gender of the adults then on the actions and attitudes of the adults. Yes, some gay moms and gay dads can raise kids better then some hetero couples. We have been through this and have presented the proof in studies. Your premise, conry, once again, is flawed. |
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cornopean
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| Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 10:38 pm Post subject: Re: Conservative Paradox |
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| fellfire wrote: | | We did your way before - mixed-marriages - and it was wrong; studies have shown that children flourish in all manner of loving home relationships and that it has less to do on the gender of the adults then on the actions and attitudes of the adults. Yes, some gay moms and gay dads can raise kids better then some hetero couples. We have been through this and have presented the proof in studies. Your premise, conry, once again, is flawed. |
well here is the liberal set of morality that you would like to impose on Americans. I have different values I would like to see made law. that is the issue. whose morals.
and to think that a study could show which kids are being raised well.....silly. |
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Anym
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| Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 10:48 pm Post subject: Re: Conservative Paradox |
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| cornopean wrote: |
and to think that a study could show which kids are being raised well.....silly. |
I'm going to smack 2 of your idea down fast
1. kids of gay parents are more likely to be gay
2. studies can't show how well kids are being raised
http://www.webmd.com/mental-he.....usted-kids
Researchers Say Children Who Grow Up in Households With Gay Parents Have Normal Self-Esteem
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07161/793042-51.stm
What happens to kids raised by gay parents?
Research suggests that they turn out about the same, no better, no worse and no more likely to be gay than other kids
Done.
you want to find more, Google. |
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Toxic
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| Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 11:20 pm Post subject: Re: Conservative Paradox |
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| Quote: | | well here is the liberal set of morality that you would like to impose on Americans. I have different values I would like to see made law. that is the issue. whose morals. |
This has nothing to do with morals! Shove your morals up your ass and stay on topic, Mr. Obfuscation.
| Quote: | | and to think that a study could show which kids are being raised well.....silly. |
Silly because there are no studies favoring your bullshit opinion?  |
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fellfire
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| Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 6:00 pm Post subject: Re: Conservative Paradox |
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| cornopean wrote: | | fellfire wrote: | | We did your way before - mixed-marriages - and it was wrong; studies have shown that children flourish in all manner of loving home relationships and that it has less to do on the gender of the adults then on the actions and attitudes of the adults. Yes, some gay moms and gay dads can raise kids better then some hetero couples. We have been through this and have presented the proof in studies. Your premise, conry, once again, is flawed. |
well here is the liberal set of morality that you would like to impose on Americans. I have different values I would like to see made law. that is the issue. whose morals. |
Your being brain-dead again, Corny, and missing the point. The issues isn't whose morality is made law, the issue is you, and your religious ilk, want your morality made into law. That IS the issue - you want the force of law to impose YOUR morality on everyone. I happen to believe your morality is evil.
| cornopean wrote: | | and to think that a study could show which kids are being raised well.....silly. |
It can and it does. Unlike your luddite mind, people recognize that there are social indicators that a child it mentally healthy - socializing with other kids, socializing with adults, interactions with family, etc. These are recognizable indicator despite you inablity to see the obvious. A childs development can be monitored over years to see how well their social and psychological development progresses through the known stages of childhood development (but, of course, you wouldn't know about all that - you are an uncertified, yet excellent teacher).
A "well raised child" doesn't show pathologies in these areas. That is a simple study that has been done by numerous scientist over many years. The fact that you can't fathom such a simple study just demonstrates your ignorance of childhood development. |
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cornopean
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| Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 7:25 pm Post subject: Re: Conservative Paradox |
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| fellfire wrote: | | Your being brain-dead again, Corny, and missing the point. The issues isn't whose morality is made law, the issue is you, and your religious ilk, want your morality made into law. That IS the issue - you want the force of law to impose YOUR morality on everyone. I happen to believe your morality is evil. |
you don't want your morality made law? what are you all upset about then? of course, you want your morality made law. you want gays to be able to call their relationship a marriage. you think it is immoral to forbid this. so then you think it moral for gays to marry. hence, you want your morality made law. |
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Toxic
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| Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 7:29 pm Post subject: Re: Conservative Paradox |
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| Quote: | | you want gays to be able to call their relationship a marriage. |
Gay marriage has NOTHING to do with morality for us! There's nothing moral or immoral about it! If someone gets married, he's not a moral man for it, just the same as someone who doesn't get married isn't immoral. You keep trying to inject morality into other discussions because you feel you're winning the relative morality discussions in the other threads, and it's bullshit. Cut it out.
| Quote: | | you think it is immoral to forbid this. so then you think it moral for gays to marry. hence, you want your morality made law. |
Not true. I think it's illogical to forbid this. I don't think there's a person in the world that can produce even a single good reason to forbid gay marriage, and that's how I lay my case. |
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shankarsingam
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| Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 8:01 pm Post subject: Re: Conservative Paradox |
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| cornopean wrote: | | fellfire wrote: | | Your being brain-dead again, Corny, and missing the point. The issues isn't whose morality is made law, the issue is you, and your religious ilk, want your morality made into law. That IS the issue - you want the force of law to impose YOUR morality on everyone. I happen to believe your morality is evil. |
you don't want your morality made law? what are you all upset about then? of course, you want your morality made law. you want gays to be able to call their relationship a marriage. you think it is immoral to forbid this. so then you think it moral for gays to marry. hence, you want your morality made law. |
Wrong again dumbfuck.
I beleive abortion is immoral and would never personally have one, but i am not going to impose my moral code on someone else. Can you understand this?
You aren't ethnocentric, you are an outright intolerant bigot and your moral code offends me and the ideals and freedom of this country. |
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cornopean
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| Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 9:51 pm Post subject: Re: Conservative Paradox |
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| shankarsingam wrote: |
Wrong again dumbfuck.
I beleive abortion is immoral and would never personally have one, but i am not going to impose my moral code on someone else. Can you understand this?
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oh I get it. I think murder is wrong but I would never impose my morals on you. go ahead and kill your boss.
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Toxic
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| Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 9:52 pm Post subject: Re: Conservative Paradox |
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| cornopean wrote: | | shankarsingam wrote: |
Wrong again dumbfuck.
I beleive abortion is immoral and would never personally have one, but i am not going to impose my moral code on someone else. Can you understand this?
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oh I get it. I think murder is wrong but I would never impose my morals on you. go ahead and kill our boss. |
Thinking murder is wrong does not require morals.
Morals are not a requirement for every decision, law, action, etc. etc. Why can you not understand this simple concept we keep repeating to you over and over and over and over again? |
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joeyjock
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Morals stop being morals when they harm other peoples health body of mental status...
after that they transform into abuse |
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