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exton
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If you were alive in 1938-9 I guess you would have said that Hitler has as much right to rearm as anyone else. until the Rhineland fell, then Austria, then Czech, then Poland, then France..........you get it?
IF WE DO NOT DISTINGUISH BETWEEN GOOD AND EVIL, THEN WE ARE GOING TO BE SWAMPED BY EVIL. that is the lesson the world learned in 1939. Thank God for Churchill. |
I'm sure you're aware that nazi germany is not comparable to modern iran in any realistic sense, and any words that invoke one to relate to the other are empty rhetoric. |
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| Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 6:52 am Post subject: |
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| jusdeadphunky wrote: | | cornopean wrote: | | exton wrote: | Lol @ bullshit "evidence".
Congress better not fall for this again. Fool me once.... |
are you ok with Iran having nuclear weapons? |
i am not okay with anyone having nuclear weapons, but until there is worldwide disarmament (or at the very least until israel gives up its nukes), i support iran's right to defend herself.
of course they are seeking nukes but so what? |
Here here!! |
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exton
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| Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 7:06 am Post subject: |
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| jusdeadphunky wrote: |
i am not okay with anyone having nuclear weapons, but until there is worldwide disarmament (or at the very least until israel gives up its nukes), i support iran's right to defend herself.
of course they are seeking nukes but so what? |
The more nuclear weapons there are, the greater the likelihood of a nuclear holocaust. Nukes are the sort of thing where, if one person starts shooting, everyone starts shooting. And then we all die. |
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| Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 7:43 am Post subject: |
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| exton wrote: | | jusdeadphunky wrote: |
i am not okay with anyone having nuclear weapons, but until there is worldwide disarmament (or at the very least until israel gives up its nukes), i support iran's right to defend herself.
of course they are seeking nukes but so what? |
The more nuclear weapons there are, the greater the likelihood of a nuclear holocaust. Nukes are the sort of thing where, if one person starts shooting, everyone starts shooting. And then we all die. |
well yea, but until someone (i.e. a nation that has the capability to blow the world up multiple times) decides to address this by calling for the destruction of their nukes, i have to say, what makes it that we are so superior that we have the right to have that sort of power but the little guys don't? |
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| Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 11:44 am Post subject: |
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| jusdeadphunky wrote: | | exton wrote: | | jusdeadphunky wrote: |
i am not okay with anyone having nuclear weapons, but until there is worldwide disarmament (or at the very least until israel gives up its nukes), i support iran's right to defend herself.
of course they are seeking nukes but so what? |
The more nuclear weapons there are, the greater the likelihood of a nuclear holocaust. Nukes are the sort of thing where, if one person starts shooting, everyone starts shooting. And then we all die. |
well yea, but until someone (i.e. a nation that has the capability to blow the world up multiple times) decides to address this by calling for the destruction of their nukes, i have to say, what makes it that we are so superior that we have the right to have that sort of power but the little guys don't? |
You guys have lots of money and won all those other wars?? I think thats the reason purported. |
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| Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 2:39 pm Post subject: |
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here lies a fundamental difference between conservatives and liberals. cons are able to discern good and evil in the world. some nation states are bent on evil. some are bent on doing good. I think Iran safely falls in the former category and the US in the latter. to deny this is suicide.
If you were alive in 1938-9 I guess you would have said that Hitler has as much right to rearm as anyone else. until the Rhineland fell, then Austria, then Czech, then Poland, then France..........you get it?
IF WE DO NOT DISTINGUISH BETWEEN GOOD AND EVIL, THEN WE ARE GOING TO BE SWAMPED BY EVIL. that is the lesson the world learned in 1939. Thank God for Churchill. |
Hey you pay attention. Not everybody in a country is evil. The U.S. is a good example W is evil the rest of the country not so much. Same with Iran Mahmoud evil the people hate him and there pretty decent people. And if country's are good or Evil what are we doing allied with ENGLAND! and GERMANY!
And on an end note
FUCK CHURCHILL! That fat idiot couldn't beat Hitler he needed FDR's and Joseph Stalin's HELP!
THE SOCIALIST AND COMMUNIST HAD TO BAIL HIM OUT! |
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| Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 5:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Lester wrote: | | jusdeadphunky wrote: | | exton wrote: | | jusdeadphunky wrote: |
i am not okay with anyone having nuclear weapons, but until there is worldwide disarmament (or at the very least until israel gives up its nukes), i support iran's right to defend herself.
of course they are seeking nukes but so what? |
The more nuclear weapons there are, the greater the likelihood of a nuclear holocaust. Nukes are the sort of thing where, if one person starts shooting, everyone starts shooting. And then we all die. |
well yea, but until someone (i.e. a nation that has the capability to blow the world up multiple times) decides to address this by calling for the destruction of their nukes, i have to say, what makes it that we are so superior that we have the right to have that sort of power but the little guys don't? |
You guys have lots of money and won all those other wars?? I think thats the reason purported. |
i dig what you are saying and it incorporates into it seeming to me that it is more of a superiority complex and the notion that the u.s. has some sort of a moral high ground making us the only ones who should be trusted to hold the keys to destroy the entire world. and that the rest of the world should be happy to let us retain that control. |
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| Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 1:29 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | I'm sure you're aware that nazi germany is not comparable to modern iran in any realistic sense, and any words that invoke one to relate to the other are empty rhetoric. |
I think the there is every reason to compare Iran to Nazi germany. in fact, Iran is worse assuming they are being successful in their attempt to gain nukes. with nukes, they don't have to have the military might of Nazi germany. they just need a delivery system and a leader stupid enough to push the red button. |
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| Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 1:32 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | well yea, but until someone (i.e. a nation that has the capability to blow the world up multiple times) decides to address this by calling for the destruction of their nukes, i have to say, what makes it that we are so superior that we have the right to have that sort of power but the little guys don't? |
I guess I just feel a little silly trying to explain to someone why our nation is good and Iran is evil. seems rather obvious to me. but here is a question.....if you were gay, which nation would give you greater civil rights, the USA or Iran (or Israel)? |
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| Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 1:34 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Same with Iran Mahmoud evil the people hate him and there pretty decent people. |
so you think the Iranians are pretty decent people? do christians have civil rights in Iran? what rights do gays have in Iran?
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And on an end note ... That fat idiot couldn't beat Hitler he needed FDR's and Joseph Stalin's HELP!
THE SOCIALIST AND COMMUNIST HAD TO BAIL HIM OUT! |
but what Churchill had that noone else had was the ability to recognize evil. he did; and noone else did. that was his greatness. |
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exton
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| Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 4:22 am Post subject: |
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| jusdeadphunky wrote: | | exton wrote: |
The more nuclear weapons there are, the greater the likelihood of a nuclear holocaust. Nukes are the sort of thing where, if one person starts shooting, everyone starts shooting. And then we all die. |
well yea, but until someone (i.e. a nation that has the capability to blow the world up multiple times) decides to address this by calling for the destruction of their nukes, i have to say, what makes it that we are so superior that we have the right to have that sort of power but the little guys don't? |
Nothing.
It is, in fact, bad that anyone should have such weapons when the world is in its present state.
But that's irrelevent. It's unrealistic to think in those terms, because, in reality, that's not the case.
And this isn't a matter of "fair", either. It's not one nation versus another. Ultimately, this is a matter of the survival of the species. |
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exton
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| Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 4:24 am Post subject: |
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| cornopean wrote: |
I guess I just feel a little silly trying to explain to someone why our nation is good and Iran is evil. seems rather obvious to me. but here is a question.....if you were gay, which nation would give you greater civil rights, the USA or Iran (or Israel)? |
Good and evil are concepts that are far too simplistic to capture the true nature of the forces at work. |
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exton
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| Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 4:25 am Post subject: |
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| cornopean wrote: |
I think the there is every reason to compare Iran to Nazi germany. in fact, Iran is worse assuming they are being successful in their attempt to gain nukes. |
Except no one has any good reason to believe that they are trying to get nukes.
Suspicion alone is not adequate. You need actual evidence to support military action.
| Quote: | | with nukes, they don't have to have the military might of Nazi germany. they just need a delivery system |
Which isn't as easy as it sounds.
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and a leader stupid enough to push the red button. |
That's the case with any nuclear nation, the united states included. Stupidity does not discriminate - we're all in danger from it. |
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| Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 9:20 am Post subject: |
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| cornopean wrote: | | Quote: | | well yea, but until someone (i.e. a nation that has the capability to blow the world up multiple times) decides to address this by calling for the destruction of their nukes, i have to say, what makes it that we are so superior that we have the right to have that sort of power but the little guys don't? |
I guess I just feel a little silly trying to explain to someone why our nation is good and Iran is evil. seems rather obvious to me. but here is a question.....if you were gay, which nation would give you greater civil rights, the USA or Iran (or Israel)? |
yes, you should feel silly trying to explain that, because you are never going to convince me or any other rational thinking person of anything short of the conclusion that <b>both</b> are evil. if i were gay is a hypothetical so i can't answer that but i can say that all of the nations mentioned above are not doing so hot in the area of civil rights and i will not put my trust in any of them guaranteeing my civil rights. (if forced to list them in order from worst to worser, israel, iran, usa) |
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jusdeadphunky
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| exton wrote: | | jusdeadphunky wrote: | | exton wrote: |
The more nuclear weapons there are, the greater the likelihood of a nuclear holocaust. Nukes are the sort of thing where, if one person starts shooting, everyone starts shooting. And then we all die. |
well yea, but until someone (i.e. a nation that has the capability to blow the world up multiple times) decides to address this by calling for the destruction of their nukes, i have to say, what makes it that we are so superior that we have the right to have that sort of power but the little guys don't? |
Nothing.
It is, in fact, bad that anyone should have such weapons when the world is in its present state.
But that's irrelevent. It's unrealistic to think in those terms, because, in reality, that's not the case.
And this isn't a matter of "fair", either. It's not one nation versus another. Ultimately, this is a matter of the survival of the species. |
i agree with you but at the same time i must point out why other countries feel the need to have nuclear weapons, and i do not blame them. |
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