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An overwhelimng amount of germans in WW2 beleived in the atheist nazi ideology. Just because a lot of people beleive in something and claim to know what their talking about is a pretty sloppy basis to base your sprituality upon.
And I agree, I dont think evolution disproves god at all. Which is why it mystifiys me when someone like Richard Dawkin says "god dosnt exist" when yet he hasnt provided any other alternative except there was a giant explosion and then planets formed and then a lightening bolt struck a puddle which created bacteria which turned into fish which jumped out of the water and turned into insects , reptiles, apes then humans.
American Infidel, have I seen you on the myspace republican forums? I recognize the username and opinion. |
Right you just compared some of the most educated men and women in the world to Nazis. Not even that but Hitler and the Nazis believed in a warped view of Christianity were Aryans were created in god's image and going to heaven. Not only that but the Nazis controlled the schools and media limiting education and free thought. An as to you comment "Just because a lot of people believe in something and claim to know what their talking about is a pretty sloppy basis to base your spirituality upon" sounds a whole lot like a good argument against religion.  |
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Russell
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| Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 5:01 pm Post subject: Re: believing in evolution means you deny god? fuck no! |
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| jusdeadphunky wrote: | i get into it with my evangelical aunt about evolution and she always manages to say that if you believe in evolution you deny god.
this is bullshit.
i do not concern myself with the existence of god and what he wants and has done, because as a man i can NEVER know. if i were to argue why i think god exists, evolution would be foundation upon which i based my argument.
intelligent design? oh hell yes. god knew that what he made would not be perfect for eternity so he came up with a design for life to adapt in order to sustain itself. pretty fucking intelligent! |
Intelligent design? HMMMM... I don't think so for one reason... god gets things right, right? first try... not the second or third or fouth... first... so by saying that god is all knowing, like this bible says, and saying that he messed up... well... hmmm... thats a contradiction and really SHOULD be added in the bible, with all the other contradictions... But what baffles me is... well he made us IN sin... since we are born in it right? So then... he punishes us for... being in sin? wait a minute I smell bullshit... Besides, where were the dinos in the Ark? |
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Oolon Colluphid
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| shenrougu wrote: |
An overwhelimng amount of germans in WW2 beleived in the atheist nazi ideology. Just because a lot of people beleive in something and claim to know what their talking about is a pretty sloppy basis to base your sprituality upon. |
....Speaking of "claiming to know", where are your facts on "the nazi atheist ideology"? I'm getting really tired of this historical revisionism from the religious. DO SOME RESEARCH!!
Here, I'll even help you... http://atheism.about.com/od/is.....theist.htm
..And just incase you're to lazy to read instead of falling for xtian revisionist propaganda, here's an excerpt from the link;
"There is no evidence that Hitler and top Nazis only endorsed Christianity for public consumption or as a political ploy — at least, no more so than political parties today which emphasize their support for traditional religious values and which rely heavily on support from religious citizens. Private remarks on religion and Christianity were the same as public remarks, indicating that they believed what they said and intended to act as they claimed. The few Nazis who endorsed paganism did so publicly, not secretly, and without official support.
Nazi Christians didn’t abandon basic Christian doctrines, like the divinity of Jesus. The actions of Hitler and the Nazis were as “Christian” as those of people during the Crusades or the Inquisition. Germany saw itself as a fundamentally Christian nation and millions of Christians enthusiastically endorsed Hitler and the Nazi Party, seeing both as embodiments of German and Christian ideals."
To top the cake here's another quote straight from your "atheist Nazi ideology" leader, Adolph Hitler;
"We were convinced that the people need and require this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out." ~Adolph Hitler
| shenrougu wrote: | | And I agree, I dont think evolution disproves god at all. |
Would you agree that it disproves the Christian bible? |
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exton
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| Solberger0127 wrote: | | Guido wrote: | | I feel that the idea of an intelligent creator is just not plausible. |
Why not? |
Because life demonstrates no purpose and very poor design. |
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Moses3
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| exton wrote: | | Solberger0127 wrote: | | Guido wrote: | | I feel that the idea of an intelligent creator is just not plausible. |
Why not? |
Because life demonstrates no purpose and very poor design. |
That may be true to you, but to the other billions of people on this planet? It's hard to say life demonstrates no purpose when there are tons of people that are looking for one, that believe in one for themselves. |
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exton
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| Moses3 wrote: | | exton wrote: |
Because life demonstrates no purpose and very poor design. |
That may be true to you, but to the other billions of people on this planet? It's hard to say life demonstrates no purpose when there are tons of people that are looking for one, that believe in one for themselves. |
That's not what i mean when i say "purpose".
I mean, engineering purpose.
When you build something, you build it to do something. Form follows function.
Life has no discernable function. It just makes more of itself, a fact which is more than adequately accounted for without resorting to supernaturalism.
And i think this is worth noting: the fact that billions of people (most of them completely uneducated) are under the same delusion means nothing in terms of the correctness of that delusion.
Or, in other words: the number of people who believe something has no bearing on its validity or truthood. |
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chevydriver1123
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How about a compromise:
God created the world and whatnot but he got bored and turned to Mother Nature and said "Your turn" |
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exton
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| chevydriver1123 wrote: | How about a compromise:
God created the world and whatnot but he got bored and turned to Mother Nature and said "Your turn" |
How about not?
That's just intellectual cowardice. I want the truth, not an answer that makes people happy.
If the truth happens to make people happy, then that's great. But even if it doesn't, i don't see that as a good reason to abandon it. |
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| Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 5:42 am Post subject: Re: believing in evolution means you deny god? fuck no! |
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| jusdeadphunky wrote: | i get into it with my evangelical aunt about evolution and she always manages to say that if you believe in evolution you deny god.
this is bullshit.
i do not concern myself with the existence of god and what he wants and has done, because as a man i can NEVER know. if i were to argue why i think god exists, evolution would be foundation upon which i based my argument.
intelligent design? oh hell yes. god knew that what he made would not be perfect for eternity so he came up with a design for life to adapt in order to sustain itself. pretty fucking intelligent! |
WE have been out adapted.
BY MUTANT LAZER SHARKS
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Guido
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| I disclaimed it right off the start with if the earth and man was created at the same time in 6 days, the 7th for god to rest. Then how come we find rocks and bones and we look into space and we find evidence of exsistance billions of years ago. Then how did god create man and the world at the same time? |
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Guido
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| exton wrote: | | Moses3 wrote: | | exton wrote: |
Because life demonstrates no purpose and very poor design. |
That may be true to you, but to the other billions of people on this planet? It's hard to say life demonstrates no purpose when there are tons of people that are looking for one, that believe in one for themselves. |
That's not what i mean when i say "purpose".
I mean, engineering purpose.
When you build something, you build it to do something. Form follows function.
Life has no discernable function. It just makes more of itself, a fact which is more than adequately accounted for without resorting to supernaturalism.
And i think this is worth noting: the fact that billions of people (most of them completely uneducated) are under the same delusion means nothing in terms of the correctness of that delusion.
Or, in other words: the number of people who believe something has no bearing on its validity or truthood. |
Well said.
Believing in a purpose that is told to you just doesnt make any possible sense, because it isn't your own purpose. I think its best for each individual to find their own purpose and meaning in existense; and to keep as far from the 'supernatural' as possible. |
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Amin
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| there is too many things most men/women still not know to make either conclusion |
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exton
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| Amin wrote: | | there is too many things most men/women still not know to make either conclusion |
That is...whether or not there's a god? Or whether evolution or creationism is true?
Evolution v creationism:
No, the evidence is at hand, and the answer is clear. We have enough information to draw a very clear and unambiguous conclusion.
God v no god:
You certainly can draw a conclusion. You can't draw a definitive conclusion, but then, you can't draw definitive conclusions on anything in life.
In short, it's a matter of the burden of proof. Since there is no evidence whatsoever suggesting that god exists, then it is reasonable to assume that he doesn't, until new evidence is uncovered. |
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Amin
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whether there is a god or not
"then it is reasonable to assume that he doesn't"
there are so many things we do not know so i think it is reasonable to assume there could be anything |
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