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JohnnyLee5
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| Toxic wrote: | | exton wrote: | | JohnnyLee5 wrote: | | Toxic wrote: | | Quote: | | OF COURSE IT APPLIES RESTRICTION. Those without citizenship are "restricted" from protection of privileges and immunities since they do not meet the criteria of being within the jurisdiction of the state or federal governments. |
It says nothing of the sort in terms of restriction. You are trying to convince me that it is implying this, and I see nothing of the sort in any part of the text you selected from our Constitution. Neither do our courts, thank goodness. |
CAN YOU READ ?
"No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of CITIZENS of the United States"
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You forgot to read the rest of that sentence.
Here's the full context:
" No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
Note the emphasized portions. |
That about sums it up. Good try, Johnny. |
I HAVE ALREADY ADDRESSED THESE POINTS.
I explained the application of due process posts ago.
The protocol (due process) that our legal system is required to implement doesn't change.
All that due process accomplishes is adhering our process of enforcing statute law upon any plaintiff or defendant. IT'S GIVING THE U.S. JUDICIAL SYSTEM THE ABILITY TO PROSECUTE ANYONE IN THE WORLD THRU OUR SYSTEM IF OUR LAWS ARE VIOLATED IN THIS COUNTRY. IN ESSENCE, AN ILLEGAL WILL RECEIVE WHAT IS "DUE" THEM.
Actually, it would be quite impossible to prosecute illegal immigration without the reference to “due process”.
An illegal CANNOT use due process to initiate a legal suit against any U.S. state, although any U.S. citizen CAN. (as I have already discussed, providing the supporting amendment). Thus, it is defined as a required function of the U.S. judiciary rather than a right of an illegal alien.
As for the second part of your futile response, the passage reads -
"nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
Try reading the WHOLE passage in context.
As I have stated over and over, illegals ARE NOT within the states jurisdiction. Thus equal protection of laws does not apply to illegals. This is quite obvious.
The word "person" is in the amendment for a reason. It means that the American judicial system applies to all- citizen or non-citizen- in regards to prosecuting violations of our laws. It also refers to non-citizen legals that are fully authorized to be in the country. IT IN NO WAY STATES THAT THE U.S. HAS EXPANDED THE BILL OF RIGHTS TO INCLUDE ILLEGAL ALIENS.
You are making a ridiculous argument, based on a ridiculous premise. |
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Toxic
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| Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 8:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Your argument is based on an interpretation of the written word that not even our legal system follows. That's good enough for me. |
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Turk
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| Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 10:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Toxic wrote: | | Your argument is based on an interpretation of the written word that not even our legal system follows. That's good enough for me. |
Our legal system is wrong for fighting for the illegal immigrants over our own border patrol. |
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Toxic
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| Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 10:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Who's putting illegal immigrants over the border patrol? This isn't a case of an illegal immigrant killing border patrol agents and the immigrant getting off the hook or anything. The guy was a witness to what has been deemed a crime, so like any legal case, he was treated like a witness. |
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Turk
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| Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 10:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Toxic wrote: | | Who's putting illegal immigrants over the border patrol? This isn't a case of an illegal immigrant killing border patrol agents and the immigrant getting off the hook or anything. The guy was a witness to what has been deemed a crime, so like any legal case, he was treated like a witness. |
Johnny Sutton an overreacching douche bag for a prosecuting attorney.
He should be disbarred the prick |
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Toxic
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| Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 10:22 pm Post subject: |
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| He's a douchebag and should be disbarred for prosecuting two men who may have committed a crime? I don't know where you're from, but a comment like that in my country puts the douchebag comment in your lap. |
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Turk
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| Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 10:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Toxic wrote: | | He's a douchebag and should be disbarred for prosecuting two men who may have committed a crime? I don't know where you're from, but a comment like that in my country puts the douchebag comment in your lap. |
Our border patrol agents committed no crime they were just doing their job, the guy that they allegedly shot comitted a crime and the sick thing about that is, they gave that guy immunity to give false testimony to land the border patrol agents in prison. |
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Toxic
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| Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 10:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Our border patrol agents committed no crime they were just doing their job |
How do you know they committed no crime? Even they don't seem to agree with you: they covered up the scene and didn't report what had happened.
| Quote: | | the guy that they allegedly shot comitted a crime |
Yes he did and he should be prosecuted for it. That doesn't automatically get them off the hook however. |
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Turk
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| Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Oh guess what that did not stop that douchebag, he was just busted again for trafficking drugs into the US at the border. |
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Toxic
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| Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 10:31 pm Post subject: |
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How is that relevant to anything I just stated?
The guy's a criminal. We've been over this. |
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Turk
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| Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 10:34 pm Post subject: |
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And because the law prosecuted the wrong people
it only emboldens the criminal illegal immigrants to keep doing what they are doing |
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Toxic
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| Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 10:37 pm Post subject: |
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This brings us back to what I asked you two posts ago:
| Quote: | | How do you know they committed no crime? Even they don't seem to agree with you: they covered up the scene and didn't report what had happened. |
The immigrant should not have been given immunity, but you've done NOTHING to show that the border patrol agents should not have been questioned or prosecuted. |
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Turk
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| Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 10:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Toxic wrote: | This brings us back to what I asked you two posts ago:
| Quote: | | How do you know they committed no crime? Even they don't seem to agree with you: they covered up the scene and didn't report what had happened. |
The immigrant should not have been given immunity, but you've done NOTHING to show that the border patrol agents should not have been questioned or prosecuted. |
So that makes it right to side with the criminal illegal alien over our border patrol agents? |
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Toxic
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| Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 11:18 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm finished. It's clear that you have no intention other than diverting from my points. |
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Turk
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| Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 5:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Toxic wrote: | | I'm finished. It's clear that you have no intention other than diverting from my points. |
Than you conclude that the law was on the wrong side ? |
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