Lester
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| Not really, as you said, presidents give the wink and nod and they assert their power, as leaders of their political party, to occasionally help friends get contracts, all I'm saying is that Romneys friends would be mormons. |
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fellfire
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| Lester wrote: | | Not really, as you said, presidents give the wink and nod and they assert their power, as leaders of their political party, to occasionally help friends get contracts, all I'm saying is that Romneys friends would be mormons. |
And all I am saying is that did not happen when Romney was Chief Executive of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts and thus you have no basis for your premise. Ergo, it is more likely that your assertion is wrong then right. |
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TrespassersW
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| Lester wrote: | | Not really, as you said, presidents give the wink and nod and they assert their power, as leaders of their political party, to occasionally help friends get contracts, all I'm saying is that Romneys friends would be mormons. |
Should we fear them because they a Mormons? Should we bar them from dealing with the government because they are Mormons?
In a country founded partly on the freedom of the individual to believe as he chooses, I never can understand why people want to insert religion into every equation. Why are we talking about what their religion is? Why not talk about whether Obama's friends are black?  |
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| TrespassersW wrote: | | Lester wrote: | | Not really, as you said, presidents give the wink and nod and they assert their power, as leaders of their political party, to occasionally help friends get contracts, all I'm saying is that Romneys friends would be mormons. |
Should we fear them because they a Mormons? Should we bar them from dealing with the government because they are Mormons?
In a country founded partly on the freedom of the individual to believe as he chooses, I never can understand why people want to insert religion into every equation. Why are we talking about what their religion is? Why not talk about whether Obama's friends are black? |
People frequently inject religion because social conservatives think only a christian can be a good leader. To me religion is irrelevant. |
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exton
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| chevydriver1123 wrote: |
People frequently inject religion because social conservatives think only a christian can be a good leader. To me religion is irrelevant. |
The majority of the country believes that a leader must have religious beliefs. They won't vote for an atheist under any conditions. |
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| exton wrote: | | chevydriver1123 wrote: |
People frequently inject religion because social conservatives think only a christian can be a good leader. To me religion is irrelevant. |
The majority of the country believes that a leader must have religious beliefs. They won't vote for an atheist under any conditions. |
I can understand voting for someone because he or she shares your beliefs. Likewise, I can understand not voting for someone because he or she doesn't share your beliefs. What strikes me as bigotry and un-American is the notion that someone would chose not to vote for someone purely because he or she had beliefs. (Just my opinion, of course.) |
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Lester
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| TrespassersW wrote: | | Lester wrote: | | Not really, as you said, presidents give the wink and nod and they assert their power, as leaders of their political party, to occasionally help friends get contracts, all I'm saying is that Romneys friends would be mormons. |
Should we fear them because they a Mormons? Should we bar them from dealing with the government because they are Mormons?
In a country founded partly on the freedom of the individual to believe as he chooses, I never can understand why people want to insert religion into every equation. Why are we talking about what their religion is? Why not talk about whether Obama's friends are black? |
Hey I'm not saying it's a bad thing or a good thing, it's just we were discussing implications of the candidates religons and this is one of them.
Fellfire- My basis is the expectations the mormon community has on it's members. |
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fellfire
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| Lester wrote: | | Fellfire- My basis is the expectations the mormon community has on it's members. |
Thanks, Lester, it's good to know where you are coming from on this. IMO, it is debatable as to the validity of that basis. |
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Lester
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| fellfire wrote: | | Lester wrote: | | Fellfire- My basis is the expectations the mormon community has on it's members. |
Thanks, Lester, it's good to know where you are coming from on this. IMO, it is debatable as to the validity of that basis. |
Well I certainly agree, I mean I didn't have the information about his governership until you said it. I was just discussing possible impacts of the religon. |
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The question is....................
Do these republicans have more allegiance to the Big "J" in the sky or the constitution
We've already got a republican candidate who wants to amned the Constitution to fit what it says in the bible
are you kidding me man? How more more can we have Jehovah shoved down our throats
In muslim countries that follow the Koran we call it Sharia law
What are we going to call it here? |
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fellfire
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| Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 5:26 pm Post subject: |
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| WWJ Law? |
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joeyjock
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| Judeo-prudence? |
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TrespassersW
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| joeyjock wrote: | | Do these republicans have more allegiance to the Big "J" in the sky or the constitution |
Now that seems like a reasonable point. If you are saying you think we should evaluate each candidate on this question, then sure; I want someone who is going to put the Constitution first.
What I don't want to do is assume that a man of faith isn't qualified to hold office. |
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| joeyjock wrote: | | Judeo-prudence? |
I <3 that. I shall steal it. |
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joeyjock
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| Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 7:47 pm Post subject: |
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| So then Tres... you're sayin you wouldn't back Huckabee because of his Bible/Constitution statement? |
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