joeyjock
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 Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 11:20 pm Post subject: 3 Candidates State they don't believe in Evolution |
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Three of the Republican candidates state openly in front of millions of people at the debates that they do not believe in Evolution and there were no gasps...no questions as to why
very sad for America that men who are running for President can be either so stupid...or are lying very well |
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Mike
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| Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 12:09 am Post subject: |
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| So, you're shocked that people have the freedom to believe what they want without being questioned or persecuted? |
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exton
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| Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 2:31 am Post subject: |
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| When you're running for the highest office in the land, it's generally reasonable to be asked about...unusual views. Especially ones that contradict reality. |
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Lester
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| Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 4:21 am Post subject: |
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| I don't believe in gravity. |
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thelast007
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| Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 2:05 am Post subject: |
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| Mike wrote: | | So, you're shocked that people have the freedom to believe what they want without being questioned or persecuted? |
if you're running for president you must be questioned and you should be required to make sense. |
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jusdeadphunky
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but it does make sense...
http://abcnews.go.com/Nightlin.....amp;page=2
look at the player on the right and if it does not start at this point select it: cameron on evolution.
absolutely ridiculous! |
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chevydriver1123
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| Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 1:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Not much of a shock to see three Republicans dont believe in evolution. |
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fellfire
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| Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 2:16 pm Post subject: |
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| They are pandering to the religous conservatives. Politicians will say anything (they can get away with) to get votes. |
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exton
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| Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 9:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Actually, if you look at the particular candidates that agreed to disbelief in evolution, i think you'll find that they're telling the truth about that. |
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fellfire
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| Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 1:15 am Post subject: |
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| exton wrote: | | Actually, if you look at the particular candidates that agreed to disbelief in evolution, i think you'll find that they're telling the truth about that. |
I'm not sure that is any consolation. I'm not sure if I'd rather have a politician who panders to his constituents or just a stupid politician.  |
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joeyjock
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| Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 6:50 pm Post subject: |
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| I agree with fellfire...pandering to your base no matter how ignorant they are is bad enough but the idea that someone running for such high office can themselves be so ignorant of facts is beyond the pale |
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CryxicKiller
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| Lester wrote: | | I don't believe in gravity. |
No worries. Gravity doesn't exist. It was just a contrived force in Newtonian mechanics. Hopefully you believe in gravitation though. |
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Lester
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| CryxicKiller wrote: | | Lester wrote: | | I don't believe in gravity. |
No worries. Gravity doesn't exist. It was just a contrived force in Newtonian mechanics. Hopefully you believe in gravitation though. |
Nah it's just the flying spaghetti monster pushing us all down. |
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InherentLogic
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Anyone who has a understanding of math and science will quickly refute evolution.
"This detail is at the center of the origin of life problem. Assuming that there WAS a large supply of molecular building blocks, how do you get the specific sequences necessary in proteins and in DNA? Consider proteins: the sequence of amino acids determines the way the molecule will "fold up", which gives it physical properties. For a particular function, an exact sequence is required. What are the odds of this occurring by accident? The odds of forming a specific molecule with 100 amino acids is (1/20) ** 100 = 10e130 (the number 10 with 130 zeros following it) to 1.
Along these lines, the famous astronomer, and mathematician Sir Fred Hoyle and Professor Chandra Wickramasinghe (both atheists) calculated the probability of life forming by chance in five billion years on earth. The answer is 10e40000 to 1 (a number so close to zero as to effectively be zero). They then considered the universe with 100 billion galaxies each with 100 billion stars and 20 billion years. Still no chance. Hoyle said the probability of life evolving anywhere in the universe is as likely as a tornado sweeping through a junkyard and assembling a Boeing 747! |
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fellfire
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| InherentLogic wrote: | | Anyone who has a understanding of math and science will quickly refute evolution. |
You, apparently, do not understand math and science.
| InherentLogic wrote: | "This detail is at the center of the origin of life problem. Assuming that there WAS a large supply of molecular building blocks, how do you get the specific sequences necessary in proteins and in DNA? Consider proteins: the sequence of amino acids determines the way the molecule will "fold up", which gives it physical properties. For a particular function, an exact sequence is required. What are the odds of this occurring by accident? The odds of forming a specific molecule with 100 amino acids is (1/20) ** 100 = 10e130 (the number 10 with 130 zeros following it) to 1.
Along these lines, the famous astronomer, and mathematician Sir Fred Hoyle and Professor Chandra Wickramasinghe (both atheists) calculated the probability of life forming by chance in five billion years on earth. The answer is 10e40000 to 1 (a number so close to zero as to effectively be zero). They then considered the universe with 100 billion galaxies each with 100 billion stars and 20 billion years. Still no chance. Hoyle said the probability of life evolving anywhere in the universe is as likely as a tornado sweeping through a junkyard and assembling a Boeing 747! |
... and to continue our little walk through refuting parroting of creationist websites ....
| Quote: | | Hoyle's line of reasoning in this case incorporates a number of clear logical mistakes and omissions, such as assuming that the spontaneous creation of life must occur simultaneously, that the life thus created would be as complex as modern life (as opposed to one of its more primitive ancestors), and that the unlikeliness of a single instance of spontaneously-appearing life is not overcome by the large number of simultaneous trials occurring throughout the (very large) universe over its entire existence. As a result, this line of reasoning (which comes up frequently in discussions of Intelligent Design vs. Evolution) is often referred to as Hoyle's Fallacy. |
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