PeaceLoveandRockNRoll
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 Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 4:51 am Post subject: Re: Death of church? |
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| Johnguitars wrote: | In the UK the pattern seems to be that the long established churches are in decline C of England, C of Scotland, Methodists etc but the charismatic churches are on the increase.
As the generation who regarded church attendance as a badge of respectability die out, this is to be expected. We may have less Churchianity but we have more Christianity. |
I think you have a point. Hopefully, this will be expressed in treating religion as a personal value system rather than as something that makes one person better than another. I will fully approve of any religion that is shown to do good in the world, and not used as an excuse for violence and hate. |
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| Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 4:41 am Post subject: |
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| I do not like religion though it has been nessecary throughout history I think as time progresses religion will become almost non-existant. |
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exton
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| Docsmitter wrote: | | though it has been nessecary throughout history |
Religion was never necessary. |
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| Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 5:00 am Post subject: |
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| exton wrote: | | Docsmitter wrote: | | though it has been nessecary throughout history |
Religion was never necessary. |
How not, to provide hope and guidance through darker ages of man. Explain the natural that is not understood. Religion has done good to our world, it is no longer needed though. |
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exton
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| Docsmitter wrote: | | exton wrote: |
Religion was never necessary. |
How not, to provide hope and guidance through darker ages of man. Explain the natural that is not understood. |
Like i said: it was never necessary.
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Religion has done good to our world, it is no longer needed though. |
Saying that religion "has done good" is deceptive. Plenty of things do good. Serial killers have done good.
The real question is, what is the net goodness of it all? |
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| Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 7:11 am Post subject: |
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| Some would argue that, the ends never justifying the means, it doesn't even matter what the net goodness is, if a requirement of it being performed is something as bad as the spanish inquisition, or any of those other priestly atrocities. |
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exton
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| Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 7:21 am Post subject: |
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| Lester wrote: | | if a requirement of it being performed is something as bad as the spanish inquisition, or any of those other priestly atrocities. |
Even if such things never happened, religion still would not be a good thing. |
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Lester
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| Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 7:38 am Post subject: |
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| Blind faith and dogma? I agree thats not good, but religous faith in general, it's sure not a bad thing. |
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[quote="Lester"]Blind faith and dogma? I agree thats not good, but religous faith in general, it's sure not a bad thing.[/quote]
most decline in christianity is of the catholic church who are most notorious for slaughters and unecessary rituals and beliefs as well as persecutions. Its no wonder they are losing power and i have nothing against catholics only some of there beliefs because they simply arent supported by the bible.
even if you do not believe in god, the bible, or jesus you have to admit that the teachings of jesus should be practiced and that if they were this would be a much better place, and please dont bring up that verse when jesus tells everyone to eat of his flesh and drink of his blood because it was clearly metaphorical and one EVER ate jesus! |
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exton
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| christianzack wrote: |
even if you do not believe in god, the bible, or jesus you have to admit that the teachings of jesus should be practiced and that if they were this would be a much better place |
I don't agree with that at all. |
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[quote="exton"][quote="christianzack"]
even if you do not believe in god, the bible, or jesus you have to admit that the teachings of jesus should be practiced and that if they were this would be a much better place[/quote]
I don't agree with that at all.[/quote]
do you have good reason why you dont agree with that or is it just because it came from a christian? I don't mean this as an attack. I just like to know why so many people are so opposed to practicing these teachings even if they dont believe in jesus.
jesus taught us to love one another as we love ourselves and if this was practiced we would not have ANY problems or at least very few. tell me whats wrong with that? |
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exton
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| christianzack wrote: |
jesus taught us to love one another as we love ourselves and if this was practiced we would not have ANY problems or at least very few. tell me whats wrong with that? |
What's wrong with that? It's arbitrary and simplistic.
It's kind like how "but why can't we all just get along?" is a really bad philosophy on crime, violence, and war. The sentiment is right, but the idea itself is severely lacking. |
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| The bible also says working on the sabbath is punishable by death, and there is controversy over which day is actually the sabbath. |
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christianzack
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[quote="Lester"]The bible also says working on the sabbath is punishable by death, and there is controversy over which day is actually the sabbath.[/quote]
first of all that was the general principal of his teachings and there are plenty of specifics if you read what he says in the bible.
and im talking about what Jesus said not about what other people in the bible said because his teachings were much different.
yes, there were many sins in the bible punishable by death and god made people aware of them. Its not his fault people still disobeyed. It would be like sitting someone in a room and putting 2 buttons in front of them, then telling them "push the green one and you will live, push the red one and you will die instantly." Then they push the red button and die instantly. You cant get mad at someone for simply following through with their promises. |
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exton
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| christianzack wrote: |
You cant get mad at someone for simply following through with their promises. |
That's not what he means. He's not saying that it's ridiculous that god would be true to his word.
He's saying that it's ridiculous to execute someone for working on the sabbath. It's ridiculous to punish someone at all for working or not working on a day of their choosing. To execute them for it is severely immoral, to say the least. |
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